Junior doctors pay offer

Hopefully that’s the end to their strikes so they can start preparing for all the pensioners they will see next winter suffering from pneumonia and hypothermia after losing their Winter Fuel Allowance.

Yes indeed - it’s a typo. Apologies. C and V next to each other on the keyboard. 😵‍💫

Precious government, Iam64?

Did you mean 'previous'.

I m with you on settling the doctors pay dispute. I feel the same about increases for other public services. The government were left with no choice but to make difficult decisions. And it’s the precious government that lied.

maddyone

MayBee70

Strange how the attitude towards health workers has gone from clapping them in the street to begrudging them a pay rise that still isn’t really enough to compensate from years of being underpaid by the Tories.

Agree with this Maybee.
How anyone can begrudge this I don’t understand.
It’s not a pay increase, it’s pay restoration.
Except even this doesn’t actually restore their pay, but goes some way towards it.

Absolutely, to you both! Its part of saving the NHS!

My daughter's friend has sometimes been the only doctor looking after 70 patients, at a well known and respected hospital. She says herself that this isn't safe and the last thing we need is anything that will encourage even more doctors to leave.

MayBee70

Strange how the attitude towards health workers has gone from clapping them in the street to begrudging them a pay rise that still isn’t really enough to compensate from years of being underpaid by the Tories.

Agree with this Maybee.
How anyone can begrudge this I don’t understand.
It’s not a pay increase, it’s pay restoration.
Except even this doesn’t actually restore their pay, but goes some way towards it.

I do remember some of your previous predictions of doom ronib. Time will tell, I’m sure.

Casdon When? How?

I shall of course welcome this if it ever happens. But we are a country which has been consistently fed false promises so pardon my cynicism…..

Strange how the attitude towards health workers has gone from clapping them in the street to begrudging them a pay rise that still isn’t really enough to compensate from years of being underpaid by the Tories.

Here you are ronib.
labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labour-party-health-policy-how-we-will-build-an-nhs-fit-for-the-future/

Steelygran there’s no guarantee that the NHS will survive in its current format under this new Labour government. Of course all due respect and homage to the medical profession but I would not be surprised if Labour privatises the NHS in some way.
It’s interesting that the election manifesto from Labour was 128 pages long …. Perhaps we missed the little details in all the print?

Highly skilled professionals who have undergone rigorous training, working long hours in an extremely demanding and exhausting environment deserve our respect. We need to appreciate our jumior doctors a whole lot more. Yes it does matter what we call them!

You are a one ronib.

Once the two years of this pay deal is up, I will be so surprised if they get much more in the annual pay reviews.
They will get constantly reminded they got a substantial increase 2 years prior.

Chocolatelovingran The NHS has grown away from its original principles and is treating many more people for many more illnesses than back in the 1940s. It has morphed into a huge bureaucracy and I rather guess Wes Streeting has plans to make changes.
Why else would he block the 40 hospitals build? I think Streeting is moving towards a private health system. I would like to be wrong.

ronib, what makes you think that doctors will not " survive this Labour government"?

eezybee
How long does the tern junior doctor apply?
A "further" 11 years if you go into maxiofacial!

It hardly matters what we call the NHS doctors as I doubt they will survive this Labour government…,

MaizieD

ronib

So we now know that a resident doctor hasn’t quite completed training to become a full consultant/specialist? It’s worth noting if you are being treated for a serious complaint.

Registrars are (or were, I can't quite keep up) still in the 'junior doctor' category. These are fully trained and experienced specialist doctors who haven't yet managed to achieve consultant status. It doesn't mean that they are inferior in any way.

All doctors who are not consultants are currently classed as junior doctors. It’s not specific to them being in training, many of them are not, they are qualified and experienced, but at a lower level than consultants. For example, GPs working for sessions in a hospital are clinical assistants, there are staff grade(SAS), associate specialist etc. grades as well as doctors in training.

Just read that the local hospital rebuilding is paused. I thought it was fully funded …. Such a mystery we really are down the rabbit hole!

MaizieD I don’t know how you thought I meant inferior? It’s very well known that it takes many years of training to reach consultant level. However the next time I see a doctor - sadly quite soon - I do like to know where he is in the pecking order. Although some consultants have not quite got the hang of patient communication …, and leave it to the registrar to better explain a condition! There’s a lot of muddling along these days …

ronib

So we now know that a resident doctor hasn’t quite completed training to become a full consultant/specialist? It’s worth noting if you are being treated for a serious complaint.

Registrars are (or were, I can't quite keep up) still in the 'junior doctor' category. These are fully trained and experienced specialist doctors who haven't yet managed to achieve consultant status. It doesn't mean that they are inferior in any way.

I thought I'd post this article which was written last year by a junior doctor.

"I’ll tell you why junior doctors are striking: things are so unsafe we have no choice"

"Because we don’t pay doctors enough, there are too few of us. It’s all we can do to stop people dying in NHS waiting rooms"

"Four in 10 junior doctors in the UK plan to leave if they can find another job. In emergency medicine we all know colleagues who are talented and dedicated, the sort of doctor who you’d want to treat your nan – and who are now working in Australia."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/11/junior-doctors-strike-pay-nhs-corridors

Thought I'd just link to the BMI definitions prepared to explainthe names/"ranks" to doctors from elsewhere:

www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/international-doctors/life-and-work-in-the-uk/toolkit-for-doctors-new-to-the-uk/doctors-titles-explained