Junior doctors pay offer

Not restoration, or anything close. Sadly given the current state of the public finances, pay restoration is not possible.

No wonder all our young doctors leave to practice in other countries.

Nothing like enough to stop them going somewhere that pays more. As usual, we rely on their goodwill.

In the Guardian headlines as in today 12.29

"Junior doctors’ leaders agree 22.3% pay deal over two years
Tens of thousands of members will now vote on offer that could bring long-running dispute to an end

(which may be the same as 10% a year and the back-dating, I don't know)

Article says, "Junior doctors’ leaders have agreed a new pay deal with the government, which could lead to their wages rising by 22.3% over two years.

The landmark agreement comes after 44 days of strikes since junior doctors first took industrial action in March 2023 in pursuit of a 35% pay rise.

Stoppages by staff across the NHS since December 2022 have led to the postponement of 1.5m appointments, procedures and operations at an estimated cost of more than £3bn.

The British Medical Association’s (BMA) junior doctors committee has accepted an offer of an average rise of 22.3% over 2023/24 and 2024/25, the Guardian understands.

During a meeting on Saturday, the committee agreed to put the offer to its members, according to a source. If accepted, it will end the industrial action.

Tens of thousands of members will now vote on the deal."

Yes we need to keep our young doctors so badly.

Isn’t it about time they were no longer called junior doctors which makes them sound as though they just stand around learning things from more experienced doctors, not actually saving people’s lives?

MayBee70

Isn’t it about time they were no longer called junior doctors which makes them sound as though they just stand around learning things from more experienced doctors, not actually saving people’s lives?

Yes, it is not an indication of their experience or years of service. The Health Minister under the Tory government (Victoria Atkins), referred to junior doctors as 'doctors in training' a fair indication that she had no idea what she was talking about.

HPQ Victoria Atkins was correct. Refer to BMA if you’re unsure.

Good idea to change the name. They have ceased being medical students. Fair point HPQ.

Change name to what Wyllow3 ? Still in training before fully qualified in a chosen specialism.
How about heart specialist but not quite yet?

MayBee70

Isn’t it about time they were no longer called junior doctors which makes them sound as though they just stand around learning things from more experienced doctors, not actually saving people’s lives?

I think this would be a very good move; it is all to easy to think junior means still in training.

ronib

Change name to what Wyllow3 ? Still in training before fully qualified in a chosen specialism.
How about heart specialist but not quite yet?

I'm still trying to think of one!

The new term for them is "resident doctor". Voted for by the BMA. Not before time, I think.

The motion was passed last month.

ronib

Change name to what Wyllow3 ? Still in training before fully qualified in a chosen specialism.
How about heart specialist but not quite yet?

Do keep up

So we now know that a resident doctor hasn’t quite completed training to become a full consultant/specialist? It’s worth noting if you are being treated for a serious complaint.

I think I understand my version better … just add specialist but not quite yet in your head if not on paper!

Am with ronib on this, they have always been called Junior Doctors ( as opposed to Senior Doctors) why complicate things further?

I recall, I think, that in the dark past, my BIL and his peers were known as a Houseman in their first year or so: men and women!
Does anyone else remember this?
I like " resident doctor" .

Weren't they called "housemen" and then "registrar" before becoming consultants.

Ilovecheese

Weren't they called "housemen" and then "registrar" before becoming consultants.

Yes they were. Certainly in my day. They may have basic knowledge, but often need to call on the Senior Registrar on call for guidance and help. A Dr's training never ceases, even at Consultant level. New research, new diagnostics have to be ,earned.

Learnt.

ronib

So we now know that a resident doctor hasn’t quite completed training to become a full consultant/specialist? It’s worth noting if you are being treated for a serious complaint.

Yes, it's always best to see the registrar if you actually need a procedure done.

Tongue only half in cheek. The disrespect towards specialist registrars (SpRs) in particular during the pay crisis from the government's side was utterly disgraceful. These are people with seven, eight, or more, years in specialist practice.

Chocolatelovinggran

I recall, I think, that in the dark past, my BIL and his peers were known as a Houseman in their first year or so: men and women!
Does anyone else remember this?
I like " resident doctor" .

I remember

Some of them are still "houseman" - junior house officer & then senior house officer. When a bit more experience in chosen specialty & having decided not to go for GP training but to be a hospital doctor, then "registrar" - again junior & senior. Some of the senior reg's are very experienced & very able surgeons in their specialty but they stay as "junior doctor" until they've passed their consultant requirements / exams AND a consultant post in their specialty (& depending on ties,locality) becomes available. I think it's the less experienced(JHO, SHO) that have the ludicrously!!! low salaries.

I’m relieved this dispute has been settled