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Riots in Southport

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Jaxjacky Tue 30-Jul-24 21:56:23

I’m fuming about this, allegedly the English Defence League, attacking a local mosque, police attacked and vehicle set on fire. The police have reiterated ‘ the person under arrest was born in the UK’ and to ignore misinformation on social media.
Those poor residents grieving and in shock without the EDL basically stirring.

westendgirl Sun 04-Aug-24 18:12:12

How these thugs dare say they want their country back . Their idea of a country has nothing whatsoever to do with my country and I'm sure your's.I was born and bred in the North and I am so ashamed that other Northeners think they should use a tragedy as an opportunity to go out fighting and brawling.Why are they wearing the cross of St George. ? He was born in Turkey/Syria and allegedly never even visited this country.

Cadeby Sun 04-Aug-24 18:04:27

*The Far Right?
In Liverpool? The most Far Left district in England?
The media and Starmer are fooling no-one*

I would assume in a large city, there are people of all political pursuasion and none. Also some of the "protestors" appear to hve been bussed in.

In what way is KS responsible please?

Cadeby Sun 04-Aug-24 17:55:37

Whitewavemark2

So now they are setting fire to the hotel which is housing untold numbers of men, women and children.

Attempted murder in my book.

This sort of thing has been going on ( on a smaller scale) for a while now.

And to think there are people still banging on about so called luxury hotels full of illegals.

MayBee70 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:53:29

Can’t believe what I’m watching on the news at the moment

Oreo Sun 04-Aug-24 17:40:16

Sparklefizz

The Government needs to get the army in. All these threats warning the thugs are falling on deaf ears. They don't give a fig for authority.

Other countries might use water cannon on them and Boris did indeed buy some water cannons but they were never employed so sold for scrap if I remember rightly. I don't know how I feel about those, but anyway ..... the police cannot continue to be sitting ducks and carried away to hospital. These riots need to be stamped on ASAP. It's mostly rent-a-mob enjoying a fight. They can't be reasoned with.

The army needs to be called in pronto, and Starmer needs to stay in London until these riots are quelled.

I think he is staying in London.
I don’t know why we don’t have water cannon like the French, it’s the most non violent way of dispersing riots there is.

Oreo Sun 04-Aug-24 17:37:41

Washerwoman

A close relative of ours partner is yet again on duty today after a night in hospital after the riots on Tuesday. He could still be on leave but chose to go back and support his colleagues. Without riot gear he would be seriously injured or worse.As an animal lover I can't help worry about the dogs injured.One badly burned the other day.I feel so angry and worried.

Just awful 💐

J52 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:35:26

Totally agree Sparklefizz

MayBee70 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:32:31

Cossy

AGAA4

It's gone too far. Trying to burn people is horrifying.

It went too far the second “someone” spread malicious lies about the perpetrator of this heartbreaking and shocking crime.

The first time they threw a brick at the police, the first time they became a mob and disrupted communities, communities they don’t live in themselves!

It’s utterly disgraceful and entirely unacceptable.

It’s almost as if it were all planned to take place in the first few weeks of a Labour govt taking power.

Every single one of the violent “protestors” should feel utterly ashamed, every single one of their relatives should give them up before someone is killed.

#notinmyname

I agree. I feel that this was pre planned. Eg Farage said Labour were coming to get you. And has said that this is going to get worse. It just said on tv that Elon Musk has said on X that civil war is inevitable in the UK. The very person that has allowed Yaxley Lennon back on X. You’d think that someone with his vast wealth would want to use it to do good, wouldn’t you.

Galaxy Sun 04-Aug-24 17:29:48

There is some sense in a lot of that.
I am sure he/she will be delighted with my approval!

Sparklefizz Sun 04-Aug-24 17:29:25

The Government needs to get the army in. All these threats warning the thugs are falling on deaf ears. They don't give a fig for authority.

Other countries might use water cannon on them and Boris did indeed buy some water cannons but they were never employed so sold for scrap if I remember rightly. I don't know how I feel about those, but anyway ..... the police cannot continue to be sitting ducks and carried away to hospital. These riots need to be stamped on ASAP. It's mostly rent-a-mob enjoying a fight. They can't be reasoned with.

The army needs to be called in pronto, and Starmer needs to stay in London until these riots are quelled.

AGAA4 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:24:45

Of course you are right Cossy this bedlam should never have started at all.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:24:04

Rioting and free speech.

Information from a lawyer

On the riots:

1. There is no justification for rioting, violence, racial harassment or racial violence. None whatsoever.

2. That's why none of those behaviours are protected by the human right to free expression or to assembly, and there is accordingly no defence of free expression to those offences.

3. The police have sufficient powers to deal with the rioting - the original Public Order Act (1936) was enacted to deal with far right processions through Jewish areas. It has been extensively updated.

4. Riot, violent disorder, affray, racial hatred and many more offences all have high penalties, and there are also many ways the police can control public processions and assemblies both under the POA and in other legislation such as relating to antisocial behaviour and serious crime prevention orders (already mentioned by the government).

5. There is certainly a debate to be had over immigration and social cohesion. Violent riots have nothing to do with that debate. These are not protests they are mob violence.

6. If people are anti-immigration there are political parties like Reform and the right of the Tory Party who robustly express those views. The far right (and I mean the real far right - the ones rioting at the moment) are not adding anything except fear and violent carnage.

7. Muslim, asylum seeker and other communities which are being targeted must be protected by the authorities and supported by the wider public. They are vulnerable communities and we need to use every possible resource to keep them safe. The rule of law must prevail.

8. No lawyers should be supporting or justifying these riots nor should they be flirting with far right leaders like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

9. That said, in the coming weeks and months, plenty of lawyers will be called upon to defend the people accused of riots, violence, assaults, even murders. Those lawyers will be doing what lawyers should do - acting without fear or favour for their clients. They should be commended for doing so and not associated with those clients.

10. Keir Starmer has been here before (though in a different context) with the London riots and will hopefully have a good sense of what to do to contain them. I appreciate the courts are already overburdened but the idea of getting rioters through the system quickly if possible is a good one because it takes them off the streets and also shows others who are considering joining in what is going to happen to them if they do.

11. It's probably going to be rough period for our country because there appear to be enough people willing to cause carnage in many areas. It will be rough for the police and vulnerable communities, and for the still new government. I hope that our authorities are able to get a grip on things, but the people ultimately responsible are the ones who are smashing and burning things, not the authorities, politicians, people on X (though spreading misinformation can do real harm, and nobody should be encouraging this whether online or in person). There will be time later for political point scoring but I don't think it is really helping now.

Cossy Sun 04-Aug-24 17:15:08

AGAA4

It's gone too far. Trying to burn people is horrifying.

It went too far the second “someone” spread malicious lies about the perpetrator of this heartbreaking and shocking crime.

The first time they threw a brick at the police, the first time they became a mob and disrupted communities, communities they don’t live in themselves!

It’s utterly disgraceful and entirely unacceptable.

It’s almost as if it were all planned to take place in the first few weeks of a Labour govt taking power.

Every single one of the violent “protestors” should feel utterly ashamed, every single one of their relatives should give them up before someone is killed.

#notinmyname

MayBee70 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:05:33

Given the speed at which these riots happened they were just waiting for something like this to give them the excuse they needed. So had to spread false information to suit their agenda. Were never going to let the truth get in the way. Maybe, in the long term this will go against them in that simmering discontent will be addressed and the lies that they spread will be exposed. It is also a rallying cry for those of us that are horrified by the attempt by many to divide us? But how sad that the deaths of those poor children has resulted in all of this. I don’t know how people that have used that can live with themselves sad.

Washerwoman Sun 04-Aug-24 16:57:38

A close relative of ours partner is yet again on duty today after a night in hospital after the riots on Tuesday. He could still be on leave but chose to go back and support his colleagues. Without riot gear he would be seriously injured or worse.As an animal lover I can't help worry about the dogs injured.One badly burned the other day.I feel so angry and worried.

Dickens Sun 04-Aug-24 16:46:25

The riots in Southport started because it was falsely put out on social media that the 17 year old perpetrator was a recent arrival on a dinghy. Presumed to be Muslim, hence the attack on a local mosque.

Turned out he was born in the UK to parents from Rwanda. No matter I suspect to the rioters.

Do they even know the majority religion in Rwanda? Muslims make up only around 2% of the population. Look it up. The majority religion is Catholic and Protestant.

Dickens Sun 04-Aug-24 16:30:23

nanna8

To label every single one of those people as thugs is just plain ignorant. Many are ,as I have said a couple of times now, but others have GENUINE feelings of fear and resentment because they are disadvantaged and can’t see a way out of their situation. This black and white view and calling people Nazis is appalling and needs calling out. People are not rioting because they are happy.

They may not all have done this, but every single individual who deliberately damaged people's brick walls so they could use the bricks as a missile to aim at the police; every individual who decided to set fire to someone's car (maybe a disadvantaged family who needed it for work?); every individual who helped to torch a building or aim beer cans at the police... is a thug.

Fear and anxiety is not a reason to create yet more fear and anxiety among those living in that street, or that location, among those who might be too afraid to open their front door and who had to have their walls repaired, or who came out to clear up the debris the rioters left behind. It's an excuse.

Rioters in Rotherham have now placed themselves outside a Holiday Inn hotel housing immigrants chanting get them out. They have thrown bricks at windows and set a large bin on fire outside the hotel entrance.

What next - lynching?

This is not protest, this is mob violence. By thugs - with banners chanting "English 'til I die".

They are protecting our "English" way of life - apparently.

nanaK54 Sun 04-Aug-24 16:29:59

J52

nanaK54

AGAA4

It's gone too far. Trying to burn people is horrifying.

Indefensible

These rioters are the Terrorists on our streets, as defined by The Crown Prosecution service.
I hope the perpetrators are charged with Terrorism and are sentenced to the maximum punishment.

Absolutely

Whitewavemark2 Sun 04-Aug-24 16:27:55

Let’s not hear the accusation of two tier policing ever again!

What the police have had to put up with this weekend bears no relationship to the protest marches.

It is a lie and should not be repeated.

nanaK54 Sun 04-Aug-24 16:20:53

Whitewavemark2

The police have done remarkably I think.

They have calmed the situation without too much violence.

Yes, thank goodness

J52 Sun 04-Aug-24 16:19:56

nanaK54

AGAA4

It's gone too far. Trying to burn people is horrifying.

Indefensible

These rioters are the Terrorists on our streets, as defined by The Crown Prosecution service.
I hope the perpetrators are charged with Terrorism and are sentenced to the maximum punishment.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 04-Aug-24 16:17:26

petra

Oreo

Kandinsky

Yes of course there are many homeless just as there are in other towns but as you walk past and pop a coin or two into their hand and wish them good day, they are always cheerful, grateful and polite

Are you living in the Mary Poppins film?

😂

I hope they had a cap to doff.

Yes it did come out all wrong really but hey Ho. Some you win etc.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 04-Aug-24 16:16:36

The police have done remarkably I think.

They have calmed the situation without too much violence.

petra Sun 04-Aug-24 16:14:13

Oreo

Kandinsky

Yes of course there are many homeless just as there are in other towns but as you walk past and pop a coin or two into their hand and wish them good day, they are always cheerful, grateful and polite

Are you living in the Mary Poppins film?

😂

I hope they had a cap to doff.

Quokka Sun 04-Aug-24 16:04:28

Mt61

I voted reform but no way on this earth would I support trouble makers like this, they want locking up.. I would say most people who lean towards the right are more fed up with all this illegal migration & worry for their own children/ grandchildren future- but they would not dream of attacking the police or anyone else

This saddens me. Did you not realise what they stood for?