Riots in Southport

Urmstongran

Iam64

And - at what stage is it possible to stop people wearing balaclavas and face coverings. Muslim women are in a different category to rioters

I think there should be NO face coverings in the streets. At all. France has banned the burqa too. Very sensible. It ought to be one rule FOR EVERYONE. No exceptions. No balaclavas, no masks. Faces need to be seen by everyone for everybody.

I tend to agree on this.

Iam64

And - at what stage is it possible to stop people wearing balaclavas and face coverings. Muslim women are in a different category to rioters

I think there should be NO face coverings in the streets. At all. France has banned the burqa too. Very sensible. It ought to be one rule FOR EVERYONE. No exceptions. No balaclavas, no masks. Faces need to be seen by everyone for everybody.

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Syracute I think it's a bit out of order to attribute 'veiled support' for violence to sazzl
No-one in their right mind supports this kind of thing, but the sort of attitude that attributes 'veiled support' for violence to anyone who speaks out against immigration is exactly what fuels the frustration of those people - and I am one - who can see the problems. We are not talking about war-torn families - men, women and children - arriving here for succour. The concern is the number of single young men who are coming here, to be fed, housed, cared for, given money... This is not covered on mainstream media. Those concerns are silenced. We have been manipulated into self-censorship - 'Do not DARE say a word against immigration, or you will be spurned and called racist'
It is not racist to be concerned about one's culture and to wish to safeguard it
It is not racist to be concerned about the dangers uncontrolled immigration from cultures more brutal than ours (yes, I said BRUTAL) can pose to our grandchildren.
It's time we turned 'woke' into 'awake' and were more realistic.
Otherwise there will be many more incidents such as Southport

Tear gas affects the police who use it too - my policeman son has been in hospital over this.
There are some people who are determined to stir up trouble and the mindless thugs who perpetrated the violence are easy to manipulate.
It's important that we all keep open minds because 'disinformation' wears many masks

Camille333

I agree people are angry,ignored ,one rule for one set of people and another for the other.We want fairness and what is going on in this country is a complete bias against it's own people.Each government party expects it's own people to bend over backwards for

Then people should write to newspapers, write to their MP’s; write to other people’s MP’s. It’s still no reason to attack the police, their dogs and their vehicles.

I agree people are angry,ignored ,one rule for one set of people and another for the other.We want fairness and what is going on in this country is a complete bias against it's own people.Each government party expects it's own people to bend over backwards for

sazz1

Firstly I think it's terrible to riot when people are grieving for dead children.
Having said that there are many many people in this country who are not happy about mass illegal immigration via boats. As Starmer has stopped the Rwanda deportation project, has no plan on what he's doing instead, has stopped winter fuel payments, has ordered many new houses to be built etc people are very concerned with what he's doing. And some extremists are now taking matters into their own hands. I disagree with the disgusting violence against police and police dogs but I'm not exactly surprised by it

Yet with this statement there is a veiled support !

Iam64

And - at what stage is it possible to stop people wearing balaclavas and face coverings. Muslim women are in a different category to rioters

I think the protesters at the pro Palestine marches were told not to wear face coverings. I did notice a couple of people wearing face coverings in the clip I saw on the news.
I don’t really care whether they’re labelled far right or far left, I’ve got my own label for them, vile thugs.

Callistemon213

DH has just told me that one arrested today on suspicion of arson in Hartlepool is 11 .

Good grief!

SueEH

My daughter lives in Southport and has colleagues who were affected by the murders. She went to the peaceful vigil and was then terrified by the ensuing violence. She had a police helicopter hovering outside her window for hours.
The people discussed in this BBC Verify report are truly dangerous.

Violent Southport protests reveal organising tactics of the far-right www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y0453nv5o

Yes that confirms exactly what the police and the security services are saying.

We simply cannot treat these people the same as other groups because they are much more of a threat than anything we see elsewhere in the U.K.

SueEH, that is an excellent "Verify" article with an incredible amount of in depth research on the different social media streams and how they perpetrate false news and violent reactions.

It's very good in identifying leading figures and what their politics are, and the factors attracting. people to join. so yes, highly recommended read.

Galaxy

Paul Embry who is a voice on the left that i pretty much agree with on everything has just summed up the issue with the way far right has been used. I am paraphrasing now, 'if you call Brexit far right, people who raise concerns about borders as far right, people who say women need single sex spaces as far right then dont be surprised when people doubt your words when you describe people as far right'.

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He has made very valid points, which I totally agree with.

Far right is as meaningless as Woke both are lazy descriptions when the writer cannot be bothered to use an informed explanation.

My daughter lives in Southport and has colleagues who were affected by the murders. She went to the peaceful vigil and was then terrified by the ensuing violence. She had a police helicopter hovering outside her window for hours.
The people discussed in this BBC Verify report are truly dangerous.

Violent Southport protests reveal organising tactics of the far-right www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y0453nv5o

Firstly I think it's terrible to riot when people are grieving for dead children.
Having said that there are many many people in this country who are not happy about mass illegal immigration via boats. As Starmer has stopped the Rwanda deportation project, has no plan on what he's doing instead, has stopped winter fuel payments, has ordered many new houses to be built etc people are very concerned with what he's doing. And some extremists are now taking matters into their own hands. I disagree with the disgusting violence against police and police dogs but I'm not exactly surprised by it

Paul Embry who is a voice on the left that i pretty much agree with on everything has just summed up the issue with the way far right has been used. I am paraphrasing now, 'if you call Brexit far right, people who raise concerns about borders as far right, people who say women need single sex spaces as far right then dont be surprised when people doubt your words when you describe people as far right'.

Cossy

ninamoore

The Far Right, AKA anarchists, are saying “ we want our country back”. I don’t understand what this means, does anyone care to explain.

I think we all know that they mean no one but little Englanders, white British born people, should exist in England!

What they want is social cleansing and those living here not ever celebrating their own cultures.

"Who they were" as regards who the Far right are was discussed and groups described in detail and example and pix given upthread but trouble is, its page 13 now!

ninamoore

The Far Right, AKA anarchists, are saying “ we want our country back”. I don’t understand what this means, does anyone care to explain.

I think we all know that they mean no one but little Englanders, white British born people, should exist in England!

What they want is social cleansing and those living here not ever celebrating their own cultures.

I hope all involved in managing this disgraceful incident are safe and well, and with their families.
I can only imagine the distress and worry this has caused.

The EFL doesn’t really exist anymore, certainly not as the organised force politicians insist on blaming. These are yobs, plain and simple and, as we have seen, there are plenty of those around of various persuasions. Special fury is always directed at the mysterious ‘far right’ by this socialist country of course. I don’t condone violence in any shape or form but it is noticeable that politicians and police mostly take this stance whilst never calling out the ‘far left’! And what about the pro Gaza marches in London? Jewish people and those who oppose the ‘cause’ intimidated while the Met sit on their hands? The Leeds riots where the police ran away and there was very little done about those who besieged a police station! You can fool some of the people some of the time etc! This ‘far right’ blaming and pearl clutching by politicians like Starmer who have signally failed to act in previous incarnations (remember Rochdale?) don’t fool a lot of people for a moment! And no, I’m not ‘far right’!

I saw a clip on tv of the man who has been on trial in Romania recently. I won't dignify him by naming him. I thought he was in prison rather than being free to post his vile opinions on the internet to his thousands of followers.

ninamoore

The Far Right, AKA anarchists, are saying “ we want our country back”. I don’t understand what this means, does anyone care to explain.

It’s the far Left who are anarchists!

The Far Right, AKA anarchists, are saying “ we want our country back”. I don’t understand what this means, does anyone care to explain.

There is a number of people in the country who are just looking for trouble and latch onto any cause. Get drunk first and then go in fighting. Every peaceful protest gets them. They are the type that cause trouble at football matches. Odd way of getting their kicks.

And - at what stage is it possible to stop people wearing balaclavas and face coverings. Muslim women are in a different category to rioters