Riots in Southport

The attacker was, to me, a beserker; maddened beyond control. His passion was running high.Has it been considered he had a grudge against the staff at this social venue and then just lost it?
Wasn't the Dunblane school massacre down to a sacked employee?

I was disgusted by the way Farage has used the events.

"Former MP Tobias Ellwood has accused Mr Farage of deliberately inflaming tensions, saying: "I lost my brother to terrorism
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"To ramp up hatred online by claiming the Southport attack was terrorist related (culminating in riots, a mosque damaged and police injured) is not just reprehensible but needs addressing.

"Otherwise it will happen again.

"Disgusted how a sitting MP deliberately inflames tensions without any justification.

"Farage should delete this tweet."

Sky news
news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbing-latest-number-of-casualties-after-reports-of-stabbing-13186819

BBC now says in its I player feed that 50 policemen and women were injured.

GrannyGravy13

Anti Muslim rhetoric plays a huge part of the fuel that keeps the EDL thugs alight.

They are inextricably linked.

But I don't think Urmstongran is a member of the EDL, so she doesn't need to be kept alight about Muslims.

So much easier to dismiss crimes as evil than acknowledge mental illnesses

I am just talking on another thread about the way in which mental health can be used to almost defend or deflect from serious crimes. So when sone of us tried to talk about the allegations against Huw Edwards there was a lot of warnings about the damage to his mental health. I understand the differences in those two cases but there is something about the way mental health is used that makes me uneasy. I dont particularly mean by anyone on this thread.
I agree completely about the weirdness of language in relation the girls and women in this case. That too made me uneasy.

Anti Muslim rhetoric plays a huge part of the fuel that keeps the EDL thugs alight.

They are inextricably linked.

Urmstongran

MaizieD

Do people like the EDL worry you as well, Ug or is your concern confined to Muslims?

Of course these mindless ‘rent a mob’ worry me.

Well, why didn't you stick to talking about the EDL thugs , instead of derailing the thread with your anti muslim gossip rhetoric...?

TerriBull

So I cannot recall where I read that he was known to have mh issues. Nevertheless, because of swirling conjecture surrounding the case, it may well be just that a supposition and not conclusiv. Possibly conflated with other attacks, Nottingham for instance and others where the perpetrators have been known to present a threat.

I think it could have been. Some dodgy "news site" originating in America published an article allegedly naming him and claiming he had mental health issues which were known about. All sorts of people picked it up (which is why a thread on GN was deleted). The article also claimed that he had arrived on a boat last year. It was all complete and utter nonsense, but had already been spread all over the internet.

I think the point being missed by many of you is the deliberate refusal by the police to identify the victims as girls. Only as children. It’s almost as though the report just over a week ago which noted that violence against women and girls had risen by 40% and what were the police going to do about it? that not calling them girls could be a start. It was a deliberate management of facts which would have changed headlines, when it was obvious that they were all little girls and their women teachers.
They were Taylor Swift fans, little Swifties adoring a star who celebrates girls empowerment. Like the Ariana Grande event this was very special to them, a big treat for them. This we know, the fact was obvious and hidden.. they weren't random children playing as was implied. It was a very specific target and we want to know why. Was it because they were scared of misgendering? Saying the perpetrator was a Welsh boy didn’t help either. The police have found themselves in an impossible position and are suffering dreadfully for it.
This is surely a forum where we can dare think about these things. We are not children.

I wonder if anybody ever really understands what motivates serial killers.

It's dreadful.
They need to be left in peace to grieve.

We all want answers of course, but I doubt that anyone will ever understand why.

The mummy of the murdered little girl with auburn hair has asked for the violence to stop. She and the people of Southport really don't need this.

So I cannot recall where I read that he was known to have mh issues. Nevertheless, because of swirling conjecture surrounding the case, it may well be just that a supposition and not conclusiv. Possibly conflated with other attacks, Nottingham for instance and others where the perpetrators have been known to present a threat.

Maggiemaybe

^I think the police are getting the brunt of anger for what some of the public perceive as historical obfuscation and possible anger that the suspect, for whatever reason was on the police radar and whenever that is stated there is the understandable ponderable, as to "could this have bern averted"^

I’ve seen no evidence at all that the suspect was on the police radar.

Neither have I seen any evidence. Maybe TerriBull could explain.

Casdon

I hope there is enough recorded information about the riot to enable mass prosecution of the perpetrators too. So many policemen and dogs were injured.

Well if the posts on X are anything to go by there is ample footage of the thuggery last night in Southport.

I hope there is enough recorded information about the riot to enable mass prosecution of the perpetrators too. So many policemen and dogs were injured.

There are CCTV/Ring Doorbell along with phone footage of the male being arrested all over social media.

He will be known locally by neighbours, school/college peers.

His birth date is also available.

Those circulating the above have to be aware of the consequences.

I think the police are getting the brunt of anger for what some of the public perceive as historical obfuscation and possible anger that the suspect, for whatever reason was on the police radar and whenever that is stated there is the understandable ponderable, as to "could this have bern averted"

I’ve seen no evidence at all that the suspect was on the police radar.

As has been pointed out, the assailant is under 18 and therefore under UK law cannot be named. Although his name may well come out at some time, when there is mass outrage, as in the case against those who killed trans girl Brianna, I feel there is a consensus to not shield perpetrators of heinous crimes. I think the police are getting the brunt of anger for what some of the public perceive as historical obfuscation and possible anger that the suspect, for whatever reason was on the police radar and whenever that is stated there is the understandable ponderable, as to "could this have bern averted" Nevertheless there is a cynical misdirection of aggression by agitators. If the boy's family emanate from Rwanda, as reported, then as others have stated that country is overall Christian, so to attack mosques is taking the tragic circumstances of this case to just stir up racial disharmony.

EDF are simply criminal thugs. As to the young man in custody misinformation has been used to wind people up. In my opinion it's wise not to speculate or stick labels on him.

growstuff

I'm beginning to wonder if this wasn't really directed at Muslims but at the police, against whom Tommy Robinson has a grudge. He skipped bail yesterday and an arrest warrant has been issued in Spain. He needs to keep the narrative going that it's the police against "us" and he wants to try and show that the police deal with Muslims more leniently than people like him. He's been on and on all day about how his arrest is unfair and the police and "establishment" have it in for him. He's used the fake news about the attacker in Southport to incite his followers and has been telling people to go there. I don't have polite words I could write on GN to describe what I think of him (or Farage, who also made a recording hinting that the attacker is Muslim). The latter is an MP and should be more responsible.

Of course it's directed at the police, as they work for the State, the EDL's underlying tenet is anarchy. To disrupt the Nation State. Minority groups are easy targets for anarchists to attack to promote their cause.
Then you read more invidious speculation, even on GN, l wonder if that's due to their support of anarchy or pure ignorance.

MaizieD

Do people like the EDL worry you as well, Ug or is your concern confined to Muslims?

Of course these mindless ‘rent a mob’ worry me.

growstuff you don’t have a monopoly here on feeling devastated by events. I am just as outraged as you. So I shall comment if I choose to.

Callistemon213

^I don't remember endless speculation about the British man who killed three people with a crossbow^

He was named, being over 18.

But we didn't have comments about "other" cultures and comparisons with the Ariana Grande concert.

Urmstongran

growstuff

And despite knowing that it was all a load of rubbish, people still go on about Muslims!

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We all know your opinions of Muslims, but they are irrelevant to what happened in Southport. If you want a rant, start a thread about them and don't hijack other people's grief with bigotry.