Riots in Southport

MayBee - your post confirms what we know. Nasty bigoted racists walk amongst us. The recent riots seem to have enabled some to see themselves as part of a large gang of white supremicists. I expect most of us have seen the video of the man racially abusing a bus driver

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Dickens

Oreo

There are some kids aged between 11 and 18 caught up in the moment kind of thing, caught and charged who don’t have any previous.Not just keyboard warriors inciting others to violence.

Encouraged by family members? I don't mean encouraged to be violent - but encouraged via the narrative heard at home.

I find it quite depressing that an 11 year old with his whole life ahead of him makes such a dismal start towards his teen years.

Well, someone I know who is computer whizz kid on a wage that most people can only dream about has in the space of a week been told to ‘go back to where you come from’ by a passing white van man and then had a white mother with young children shout Paki at him in the street when he was with his young child. This is where some young people are getting their white supremacist ideas from. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be shouted at in the street like that because of the colour of your skin

I agree Dickens. I’ve fiubd myself wondering what kind of messages grandchildren get from us. My two grandpa’s were both in ww1. My paternal grandpa worked in a cotton mill, his family definitely working class. My maternal grandpa worked in the office of a towel manufacturer, his family had a shop and a car.
They were patient, gentle, kind , gentle men. Their politics were liberal I suppose. Paternal grandpa told me he’d applied for poor law relief in the late 20’s-early 30’s when the mill was of short time or closed. He was told to chop up and burn grannies sideboard and the organ dad was learning to play. Until they had nothing they’d get nowt. He believed the Labour Party could improve things for working people.

Maternal grandpa was officially a Liberal. He was very clear that the yiung Germans running the pow camp he was in, were exactly like him and the other British soldiers. They were patriotic and answered the call if their country. He didn’t see my generation doing this -‘ you’re so much better educated than we were.’

I;l be forever grateful for my kind, liberal grandfathers. I hope my influence on my grandchildren is as posituve

Oreo

There are some kids aged between 11 and 18 caught up in the moment kind of thing, caught and charged who don’t have any previous.Not just keyboard warriors inciting others to violence.

Encouraged by family members? I don't mean encouraged to be violent - but encouraged via the narrative heard at home.

I find it quite depressing that an 11 year old with his whole life ahead of him makes such a dismal start towards his teen years.

Casdon

British manhood at its least attractive. Such a contrast to the amazing Olympics team.

I don’t think I have the words to describe him.
You have done it so much better than I could Casdon.

There are some kids aged between 11 and 18 caught up in the moment kind of thing, caught and charged who don’t have any previous.Not just keyboard warriors inciting others to violence.

Casdon

British manhood at its least attractive. Such a contrast to the amazing Olympics team.

That belly .....

Callistemon213

It's interesting to read that many of those charged, found guilty and imprisoned have previous convictions, some several. Alcohol and drugs were also found to be contributory factors.

It’s also sadly unsurprising. Our culture has long been one where excess and refusal to abide by societal expectations has been present.
Those 17th century Hogarth sketches where drunken gin soaked women almost keep hold of their babies are so reminiscent of the drug/alcohol abusing people now

British manhood at its least attractive. Such a contrast to the amazing Olympics team.

"“Ryan Wheatley, a 40-year-old grandfather, is facing jail after pleading guilty to assault by

beating of a police officer

who he 'barrelled' into at a protest in Southampton”

Doodledog

I don't think many law abiding upstanding citizens get carried away by posts on dubious social media sites and get swept up in rioting, though.

I get the impression from what I’ve seen on the news sites that people with no previous convictions who are being caught and charged are the keyboard warriors, who have incited the riots. There must be a lot of people living apparently normal lives who never expected to be caught, sweating now.

I don't think many law abiding upstanding citizens get carried away by posts on dubious social media sites and get swept up in rioting, though.

Rosie51

growstuff thanks for those links. It seems it's only Ricky Jones that is making the accusations NF stickers on trains concealing razor blades and razor blades down seats, since there are no reports of police investigations. Given his appalling behaviour in whipping up the crowd in Walthamstow with his remarks and cut throat gesture I'll reserve judgement on the veracity of his accusations.

It's something that has been appearing on social media for year, razor blades with messages re Brexit, Terfs, whatever is the current newsworthy story.

It's interesting to read that many of those charged, found guilty and imprisoned have previous convictions, some several. Alcohol and drugs were also found to be contributory factors.

I just saw after I’d posted that he has been remanded in custody.

Ricky Jones has been charged, and is appearing at magistrates court today.
news.sky.com/story/former-labour-councillor-charged-with-encouraging-violent-disorder-13193988

Thanks Wyllow and Casdon for summarising Labour’s manifesto.
The rioters are being dealt with speedily in the way they were in 2011 when previous riots took place.
It’s terrible that our CJS has been so neglected, starved of cash and resources with the result trials are horribly delayed

Well done everyone involved in getting the rioters dealt with swiftly, it’s said to be key in putting off potential rioters.

No comparison with the Manchester Airport incident

Rosie51

growstuff thanks for those links. It seems it's only Ricky Jones that is making the accusations NF stickers on trains concealing razor blades and razor blades down seats, since there are no reports of police investigations. Given his appalling behaviour in whipping up the crowd in Walthamstow with his remarks and cut throat gesture I'll reserve judgement on the veracity of his accusations.

So do I. That's why I wrote "allegedly". I was just trying to think what on earth motivated his rant. Originally, I saw a longer version of the video. He was going on about the razor blades and then immediately started on his rant - in his mind the two seemed to be connected. I'm genuinely not excusing the rant - it was appalling, especially for somebody in a position of responsibility as a councillor.

An aside - two men in crown court this afternoon both have the first name Jordan. The irony.

growstuff thanks for those links. It seems it's only Ricky Jones that is making the accusations NF stickers on trains concealing razor blades and razor blades down seats, since there are no reports of police investigations. Given his appalling behaviour in whipping up the crowd in Walthamstow with his remarks and cut throat gesture I'll reserve judgement on the veracity of his accusations.

I had to look it up, maddyone, as only had a vague idea.

Oh good, I’m glad to hear that Wyllowand Casdon.
I admit that whilst I’m interested in politics, I don’t follow it to the same extent as some other Gransnetters do, so I hadn’t registered that.

It was in part in the Labour Manifesto maddyone, included in the Key policies

As an initial step to address the courts backlog, Labour will ensure more prosecutors are available by allowing Associate Prosecutors to work on appropriate cases

Labour will introduce a ‘Hillsborough Law’ which will place a legal duty of candour on public servants and authorities and provide legal aid for victims of disasters or state-related deaths

Ensure there is a legal advocate in every police force area to advise victims of violence against women and children

Labour did make a commitment in the manifesto for the election as follows:

"After 14 years of neglect, the criminal justice system is broken. Victims wait months, sometimes years, for their case to come to trial, unable to move on with their lives. As an initial step to address the courts backlog, Labour will ensure more prosecutors are available by allowing Associate Prosecutors to work on appropriate cases".

It was also referred to in the Kings Speech which set out the programme of legislation.

This is the Law Society response

www.lawsociety.org.uk/topics/news-articles/kings-speech-july-2024#:~:text=Crime%20and%20justice&text=We%20broadly%20welcome%20measures%20intended,the%20criminal%20exploitation%20of%20children.

"The new UK government has set out an ambitious legislative plan and we are pleased to see the criminal justice system is on its agenda".

Impossible to say where it stands in the list of priorities financially.