Huw Edwards arrives at court this morning

Anniebach

Your post Tuaim with respect is nonsense

How incredibly rude of you! The use of the word 'nonsense' is most uncalled for. Please note that I use the words 'perhaps' and 'nonsense'. I was merely surmising and expressing what was a personal opinion. We are all entitled to our own opinions and it is most uncalled for to provide such a harsh response without defending your own post with evidence. Please don't just dismiss what other posters put without justifying your response. How rude!

Actually instincts are often right.

Report to the police your instincts tell you a haircut is ?

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Anniebach
Your post Tuaim with respect is nonsense
How incredibly rude of you! The use of the word 'nonsense' is most uncalled for. Please note that I use the words 'perhaps' and 'nonsense'. I was merely surmising and expressing what was a personal opinion. We are all entitled to our own opinions and it is most uncalled for to provide such a harsh response without defending your own post with evidence. Please don't just dismiss what other posters put without justifying your response. How rude!

I apologise if I was rude, I didn’t think so. You really believe a change of haircut triggers your instincts ?

Tuaim

About 2 years ago I was watching Huw Edwards reading the news. He had a particularly modern hair cut for a man of his age and standing and something quite strange went through my mind 'That's weird' but I put it to the back of my mind and thought 'Oh well, he is trying to be out there with the younger generation'. Perhaps our inner instincts do flag up base gut feelings and we ignore them because we think they are nonsense.

What kind of modern haircut?

Shaved sides, as is fashionable with men and women?
Or a mullet? French crop?

I'd have put it down to a mid-life crisis but I honestly don't remember.

During my career in child protection, I had some involvement with the services set up by Ray Wyre for sex offenders. He was also involved with the Lucy Faithful Foundation who work with offenders. I have to say from my personal experience, I only saw limited positive outcomes but I think they do valuable work

Iam64

Help for people, most often men, who are sexually attracted to children is available and has been for years. It’s accessed via a GP. Mental health or children’s services social workers can help by making referrals

As Annie says, getting alcoholics/substance abusers to engage with therapy is difficult and that’s something many people understand on some levels

The research into outcomes following group therapy isn’t promising. My limited knowledge of individual treatment for men who have sexually abused children isn’t reassuring

I fear any attempt to reduce the social stigma can only result in more children at risk

The research into outcomes following group therapy isn’t promising. My limited knowledge of individual treatment for men who have sexually abused children isn’t reassuring

That doesn't really surprise me - or others I'd imagine - but it's very depressing.

I had a rather fierce debate with a man some time ago on the subject of prostitution. I was arguing that it wasn't something I'd be keen to promote as a life-style choice or 'career' if I had a teenage daughter. He was verbally quite cynically brutal telling me that once my 'daughter' was 16 she would make her own choices and that it was bugger all to do with me what she chose to do with her life; and informed me that it was perfectly acceptable, once a girl had 'come of age', to trade sex for money, and that women like me should mind my own business because - and this is the bit that has stuck in my mind for years - he said, men have needs.

The reason I mention this episode is because I found it profoundly depressing and because, in relation to paedophilia, I do wonder if men's needs (and it is usually men) is such a dominant instinct that they feel they have a 'right' to indulge in whatever kink or perversion they want to - even though they are quite aware that, where paedophilia is concerned, it is never a victim-less crime - and the fact that it is a crime, seems not to be a deterrent. Nor does the fact that these men might also have children of their own. They want what they want, and they are going to have it. Regardless.

That might explain why what you have learned about individual treatment for men isn't very reassuring.

I did point out to this particular brute, that lots of people have all sorts of needs- some deep seated, the disabled, for example, might have a need to be loved or for someone to care for them, but life is tough and they - and we - don't always get what we want or need; nor are young girls of 16 mere objects that simply exist for their sexual impulses or urges, to be used (and not infrequently abused) and then forgotten about like some used commodity.

My late ex's brother once said to me - he and his wife at the time fostered children who'd been abused in their home environment (boys as well as girls) - that the problem is that such men don't give a hoot about morality, right or wrong, or consequences, when the 'urge' comes over them, and that nothing - no therapy or counselling, would make a blind bit of difference. He was, at the time, fostering a young boy who'd been sexually abused by his father but who had been allowed (the father) limited, but unsupervised time with his son once a week, outside of the home environment. The outcome of that wasn't reassuring either. The boy was removed from my BIL and wife's care and re-fostered because my BIL caused a problem for social services through questioning the 'advisability' of allowing unsupervised contact (BIL and his wife are both now deceased, which is why I can write about this).

I don't know what he answer is but one thing remains clear - children don't exist for the purpose of men's 'pleasure'. Their safe guarding is and always will be paramount.

I'd also question the 'age of consent' in such circumstances. Does a girl or boy go to bed at age 15 and wake up the next morning at 16 fully able to understand all the complexities of adult sexual behaviour - do their brains undergo some miraculous process overnight which renders them fully cognisant of the adult world?

Tuaim

About 2 years ago I was watching Huw Edwards reading the news. He had a particularly modern hair cut for a man of his age and standing and something quite strange went through my mind 'That's weird' but I put it to the back of my mind and thought 'Oh well, he is trying to be out there with the younger generation'. Perhaps our inner instincts do flag up base gut feelings and we ignore them because we think they are nonsense.

That really is a silly comment. Are you suggesting that the "younger generation" are likely to be sexually attracted to a late middle aged, outwardly respectable man just because he has had his hair cut? Should we be on our guard for any other tv personalities who have had a haircut?

Sorry, but this comment, in a thread about a distressing subject is drivel.

HousePlantQueen

Tuaim

About 2 years ago I was watching Huw Edwards reading the news. He had a particularly modern hair cut for a man of his age and standing and something quite strange went through my mind 'That's weird' but I put it to the back of my mind and thought 'Oh well, he is trying to be out there with the younger generation'. Perhaps our inner instincts do flag up base gut feelings and we ignore them because we think they are nonsense.

That really is a silly comment. Are you suggesting that the "younger generation" are likely to be sexually attracted to a late middle aged, outwardly respectable man just because he has had his hair cut? Should we be on our guard for any other tv personalities who have had a haircut?

Sorry, but this comment, in a thread about a distressing subject is drivel.

Especially as one of the the "young people" involved is a small child.

some really interesting posts Iam64, Dickens

bmacca refers to Ray Wyte and Lucy Faithful foundation. I agree good work. Several staff from north west NSPCC also did good assessments and treatment work, with families, alongside local authority social workers
It’s difficult work for everyone. Police officers have to view photographs and videos. Those working in this area need good personal boundaries and supervision

Well as I said, I've always found him weird and when his appearance changed I found him more weird. I don't know why but I did.

To be honest Kate1949 I too raised an eyebrow at his ‘edgy’ new haircut.

It wasn't just the haircut. He's perfectly entitled to do what he likes with his hair. Something about his whole appearance changed. Once again, his business. He has to expect comments as a celebrity.

Are all men who are losing their hair weird ?

Perhaps his haircut was to bring his image ‘up to date?’

Not making any excuses for his behaviour, but both men and women in the public eye try and change their hairstyle, fashion choices to keep being ‘on trend’. All these up and coming youngsters must make them appear very old fashioned and out of touch, not least to themselves.

Who said he is losing his hair?

I said he is losing his hair

I think there is probably a whole story about his marriage which apparently split up some years ago, and more recently when his wife exposed him.. she says she was doing that to protect her 5 grown up children.. Understandable but I wonder just how much she knew and for how long...

Anniebach

The BBC should have sacked Huw Edwards immediately?

What without proof. It is still innocent until proven guilty in this country. Well unless you listen to the armchair judges on social media then they'd hang everyone on suspicion.

Quote Freya5 Thu 01-Aug-24 16:41:09
Anniebach
The BBC should have sacked Huw Edwards immediately?
What without proof. It is still innocent until proven guilty in this country. Well unless you listen to the armchair judges on social media then they'd hang everyone on suspicion.

I asked a question of those who said the BBC should have sacked him

Iam64

Help for people, most often men, who are sexually attracted to children is available and has been for years. It’s accessed via a GP. Mental health or children’s services social workers can help by making referrals

As Annie says, getting alcoholics/substance abusers to engage with therapy is difficult and that’s something many people understand on some levels

The research into outcomes following group therapy isn’t promising. My limited knowledge of individual treatment for men who have sexually abused children isn’t reassuring

I fear any attempt to reduce the social stigma can only result in more children at risk

I wouldn't want to reduce the social stigma of being an abuser, but if someone faces up to the fact that he is so inclined, and takes steps to remedy that (if such a thing is possible, which is way beyond my understanding) then doing so can only be encouraged if there is no or low risk of being 'outed' attached. Otherwise, people are likely to try to control their urges themselves, and may or may not succeed.

I was thinking about this case today, and others like it where people are viewing child pornography online, awful to view it but even worse to think it happened and is still happening to children here in the UK and elsewhere.What are the poor things lives like?Those that should be protecting them abusing them.Just shocking and depressing.

Urmstongran

Explaining in the Telegraph:

“What are category A, B and C images?
Category A is the most severe type of child abuse image. These images involve penetrative sexual activity, sexual activity with an animal, or sadism.

Possession of category A images generally carries a tariff of between 26 weeks and three years in custody, according to sentencing council guidelines.

Category B images are deemed as “moderately” severe. They include images showing a child or children being subjected to non-penetrative sexual activity.

Someone found guilty of possessing category B images could expect anything from a high-level community order to 18 months in custody.

Finally, category C includes images of children in erotic poses. Sentencing for possession of category C images can range from a medium level community order to 26 weeks in custody.

Guidelines allow discretion for judges to take into account factors including no previous convictions, showing remorse, positive character, mental disorder or serious medical condition.

Since last year, judges are also expected to take into account prison overcrowding when deciding whether to jail a defendant.”

Thank you Urmstongran. I find this quite shocking! I’m wondering what the new Labour Minister of State for Prisons, James Timpson, would advise.

Doodledog - the support/therapy for men who want help not to act on their sexual attraction t0 children is from experienced psychologists or ‘experts’ like Ray Wyre, or specialist NCPCC practitioners. It’s confidential. As with any other contract agreed before therapy , confidentiality is agreed unless it becomes clear there are safeguarding issues. Therapists are told of horrifying fantasies. Their risk management is impressive but I’ve never heard of an offender or msn seeking help about who a ‘no risk’ conclusion could be reached.