The right to peaceful protest in the UK

Just needs consistency across the board, to be fair amidst all the noise I think Starmer did say that when asked a similar question by a Sky reporter. It was a good question and there was something in his response which made me a little less worried.

People seem to forget that arrests were made after the Leeds riot.

growstuff

People seem to forget that arrests were made after the Leeds riot.

Haven’t forgotten growstuff

The policing which I hoped could be discussed rationally was totally different.

Well, they would complain, wouldn't they? Anything to stir things up further. They didn't have to go on the streets when the community was suffering with appalling murders.

There are so many different situations it's impossible to find a "one size fits all response". But I'm glad that police responses are now going to be looked at to work out best practice in managing civil unrest.

(They as in the rioters, who didnt come from the Southport community)

I think that the two incidents were entirely different, and so prompting different responses by the police.

So the Leeds - and I am sure iam64 - will help over this.

This was a violent protest by the Roma community prompted by what they saw as interference into their life. It was entirely unplanned and although violent poses no threat outside of their immediate community.

This is not true of Southport.

These groups are identified far right groups of interest to our security services and pose a serious threat to the U.K.

They are communicating via social media and using AI and bots to appeal to the far right groups. They are organised and dangerous. They are being looked at as potential terrorists by the security servicees, and are in many instances treated similarly.

The police forces throughout the U.K. are being constantly updated with intelligence relating to these groups.

Robinson is one of their most effective leaders.

I thought the reason they withdrew in Leeds was because the police were more under threat rather than the general public.

The EDL marching/rioting seems very much like football hooliganism and maybe they have better training to deal with that sort of disorder?

What happened at the vigil was awful and I think indicative of misogyny in the met maybe? I dunno

Sorry Wyllow3 who is they who have complained? The Roma Community in Leeds, Patsy Stevenson or Jennifer Edmunds (arrested at Sarah Everard vigil), or any of the Southport Rioters?

I share your concerns GG.
I was also concerned about the policing of the pro Palestine marches and the JSO protests.

Whitewavemark2 I understand where you are coming from, I really do.

I am trying to see all sides impartially, and it is becoming obvious that the police treat shite male protesters totally different from others.

Even BLM marches which took place during our Covid lockdowns and therefore illegal under the Covid laws were policed softly softly and allowed to continue.

Our police needs to be seen to treat all fairly and equally and that is not happening at the moment, and hasn’t done for a while.

maddyone

I share your concerns GG.
I was also concerned about the policing of the pro Palestine marches and the JSO protests.

The leeway given on the Pro Palestine marches was incredible…

We suffered the effects of JSO on the M25 here 😡

JaneJudge

I thought the reason they withdrew in Leeds was because the police were more under threat rather than the general public.

The EDL marching/rioting seems very much like football hooliganism and maybe they have better training to deal with that sort of disorder?

What happened at the vigil was awful and I think indicative of misogyny in the met maybe? I dunno

No it is because the two incidents were different.

That is why we see different responses.

They by no means always get it right, but I think on the whole they do.

As someone involved in childrens services, the idea that riots following a safeguarding incident does not impact on the wider community is not true. Those scenes impact those who work within that environment and who have to make difficult decisions eith regard to childrens welfare.

I was very cross about the BLM riots too GG. The police allowed all Covid rules to be broken whilst simultaneously charging two women who went for a socially distanced walk and stopped to drink coffee - in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Those women had to pay fines for sitting either end of a bench to drink their coffee, meanwhile during the BLM riots………

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We had an incident local to us this week, eight lads with machetes fighting each other, they were contained, arrested and charged. This happened in daylight.

Later that evening when dark, along the seafront there were 100’s of black youths running up and down causing mayhem and fear amongst holiday makers (I have only just seen the footage) not a police officer to be seen.

The point I am trying to make is that the police need to be seen as treating all situations, protests and even riots equally and that is not happening.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 I understand where you are coming from, I really do.

I am trying to see all sides impartially, and it is becoming obvious that the police treat shite male protesters totally different from others.

Even BLM marches which took place during our Covid lockdowns and therefore illegal under the Covid laws were policed softly softly and allowed to continue.

Our police needs to be seen to treat all fairly and equally and that is not happening at the moment, and hasn’t done for a while.

It isn’t because they are white male it is because they pose a threat to British society.

Their colour/gender is immaterial.

Their level of threat is on a different scale to those you have quoted.

They are treated the same as (although not yet classified) as terrorists, and the anti-terrorist police constantly monitor them..

You are comparing apples and pears.

And last time I looked a group of JSO protesters (white/male) were jailed for 5 years.

The Times today

"How myth of two-tier policing helped spread trouble in Southport
Hard-right protesters want to perpetuate the fallacy that the white working classes are treated more harshly than people from diverse backgrounds"

"Myth, fallacy".

It's a matter of policing relevant to the situations and nature of civil unrest and protest. Is it a "within a community" situation, or a large number of people turning up from outside with the sole motivation to make trouble? Is it trouble makers on a march? Is it an M 25 situation?

I think there were women in that group werent there?

Galaxy

As someone involved in childrens services, the idea that riots following a safeguarding incident does not impact on the wider community is not true. Those scenes impact those who work within that environment and who have to make difficult decisions eith regard to childrens welfare.

Yes but did it impact on the rest of the country? Were there incidents as a result in other parts of the country. Are those taking part seen as an existential threat to the U.K. as a whole. Are they of interest to the security services and monitored by the ani-terrorist police.

I think not.

The two incidents were entirely different.

Wyllow3

The Times today

"How myth of two-tier policing helped spread trouble in Southport
Hard-right protesters want to perpetuate the fallacy that the white working classes are treated more harshly than people from diverse backgrounds"

"Myth, fallacy".

It's a matter of policing relevant to the situations and nature of civil unrest and protest. Is it a "within a community" situation, or a large number of people turning up from outside with the sole motivation to make trouble? Is it trouble makers on a march? Is it an M 25 situation?

Yes

EDL don't represent the white working classes

You are in danger also of playing into the hands of the far right by muddling the two.

Our parents knew what they were facing when Mosley came along, And we should as well.