Police Station in Sunderland set on fire tonight

What do you think is causing these riots then

I’ll repeat NiceNanny, racism and xenophobia are causing these riots

LizzieDrip

^What do you think is causing these riots then^

I’ll repeat *NiceNanny, racism and xenophobia are causing these riots*

Agreed. And rabble rousing.

Whitewavemark2

biglouis

They’ve got reform.

Precisely. That's what I was trying to say earlier. They now have people telling them just what their grievances are. They are being manipulated.

Why on earth would people local to me, semi rural area with practically zero 'diversity of culture' in evidence, be telling me that 'they want their country back', or we're being taken over by muslims, when there is no evidence at all around us to back up these assertions? They're being fed these ideas....

Doodledog

Some of it will be opportunism and the heatwave, I agree, but I think mostly it's boiled-over frustration at 14 years of neglect. Working people having to use foodbanks. Having to pull their own teeth. Zero-hours contracts tying people to benefits and the control of their lives that that brings, etc. It reminds me of the 70 and 80s. The NF exploited hopelessness then, and the EDL are doing it now.

Good points. People are being manipulated and used for political ends. I hate the polarisation of this, hate the language used, including on GN; nobody 'voted for multiculturism', it was never on any manifesto, most of us accept the need to limit immigration, where we differ, perhaps, is on the language used. It is easy for certain parties to 'whisper' in the ear of a disaffected person, and tell them that everything that is wrong with their life; their shitty, poor quality rented housing, their zero hours contract, the potholes, the price of food, the long waiting list for their grandmother's hip replacement, etc., etc., is all the fault of the migrants. At the risk of mentioning it, this is exactly what Hitler and his coterie did to people in Germany, only it was the jews and the gypsies that he blamed.

There are wicked people at work here, they care not a jot for those they have manipulated, those who are raging and screaming and throwing bricks, rampaging and stealing from vape shops, convenience stores, sports shops.....those who load the guns don't fire the bullets here.

biglouis

Summer riots are not unusual in the UK. I remember the Toxteth riots back in the 1980s.

However this is not just an excuse to loot a few shops, throw bricks at the police and burn some cars. There is a bubbling undercurrent of anger and latent violence in this country from a section of the population who feel that they are not being listened to. None of the established political parties represent their views. Just because someone didnt vote for multiculturalism and opposes immigration does not make them "thick as mince" a "thug" or a "knuckle dragger". These expressions are just lazyspeak.

'Thick as mince' was me, right let me think about that for a minute, hmm having thought about it, yep they are as 'thick as mince'

HousePlantQueen

Doodledog

Some of it will be opportunism and the heatwave, I agree, but I think mostly it's boiled-over frustration at 14 years of neglect. Working people having to use foodbanks. Having to pull their own teeth. Zero-hours contracts tying people to benefits and the control of their lives that that brings, etc. It reminds me of the 70 and 80s. The NF exploited hopelessness then, and the EDL are doing it now.

Good points. People are being manipulated and used for political ends. I hate the polarisation of this, hate the language used, including on GN; nobody 'voted for multiculturism', it was never on any manifesto, most of us accept the need to limit immigration, where we differ, perhaps, is on the language used. It is easy for certain parties to 'whisper' in the ear of a disaffected person, and tell them that everything that is wrong with their life; their shitty, poor quality rented housing, their zero hours contract, the potholes, the price of food, the long waiting list for their grandmother's hip replacement, etc., etc., is all the fault of the migrants. At the risk of mentioning it, this is exactly what Hitler and his coterie did to people in Germany, only it was the jews and the gypsies that he blamed.

There are wicked people at work here, they care not a jot for those they have manipulated, those who are raging and screaming and throwing bricks, rampaging and stealing from vape shops, convenience stores, sports shops.....those who load the guns don't fire the bullets here.

Yes

Excellent post, HPQ.

The reason these riots are happening now is that they have been incited those in positions of power.

They are responsible for directing hate within our own home grown multi-cultural communities, and against not just migrants but huge numbers of UK citizens working in our country , citizens of our country, often 2nd or 3rd generation arrivals and needed for their skills.

biglouis

Summer riots are not unusual in the UK. I remember the Toxteth riots back in the 1980s.

However this is not just an excuse to loot a few shops, throw bricks at the police and burn some cars. There is a bubbling undercurrent of anger and latent violence in this country from a section of the population who feel that they are not being listened to. None of the established political parties represent their views. Just because someone didnt vote for multiculturalism and opposes immigration does not make them "thick as mince" a "thug" or a "knuckle dragger". These expressions are just lazyspeak.

I have young adult children living at home still, all in their 20’s. They wouldn’t dream of behaving like this, neither would their cousins and friends.

It’s just an excuse for sheer thuggery, it solves nothing, and it does absolutely stink if the likes of Robinson and his followers.

People are NOT being overlooked! Most young people struggle to get into the property ladder, most don’t riot. They’ve all been afforded “free” education and the opportunity to go onto higher education or college.

People need to give their heads a wobble and simply accept that most of us are going through tight times and having to pull our belts in, live with our means, which for some people is very meagre,.

This has everything to do with causing trouble and nothing to do those arriving on small boats! It’s an excuse to cause trouble.

I remember the riots back in 2011, blamed again on poverty and people feeling disenfranchised, did the “loot” (steal) food? No, TVs and very expensive trainers!

Yes HOQ, and don’t forget the expensive disabled

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

biglouis

They’ve got reform.

Precisely. That's what I was trying to say earlier. They now have people telling them just what their grievances are. They are being manipulated.

Why on earth would people local to me, semi rural area with practically zero 'diversity of culture' in evidence, be telling me that 'they want their country back', or we're being taken over by muslims, when there is no evidence at all around us to back up these assertions? They're being fed these ideas....

Yes. Exactly this

“There are wicked people at work here, they care not a jot for those they have manipulated, those who are raging and screaming and throwing bricks, rampaging and stealing from vape shops, convenience stores, sports shops.....those who load the guns don't fire the bullets here.”

HPQ

Very well put and I completely agree.

Lots of African and Indian families in our neighbourhood are working for the NHS for example. In that context m multiculturalism /globalisation is working well 🤷‍♀️

My spell check wants to change multiculturalism to cultural Ian which has really made me laugh

I agree too

From the Daily Express "Britain Cannot Let rioting thugs Win.

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@JamesCleverly
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*We cannot let rioting thugs and extremists win.

Their violence and attacks on the police can never be justified.

The Government must back our police to do what is necessary to maintain law and order and stop any further escalation*

Glad to see the Conservatives taking a responsible position.

We need to stop "othering" multicultural minorities and stop the blame and seek reconciliation. Multi faith groups up and down the country try and facilitate this, but positive initiatives get drowned in hate.

JSO activist were held in custody on remand not released on bail.

Millions of UK citizens manage to live peacefully in multicultural situations - neighbours, friends, work mates, students, carers. Why not foster this instead of incitement?

It must be terrifying for any minority right now to leave the house in certain areas

HPQ yes, yes, yes! Thank you for your excellent post.

It wasn’t not a police station it hasn’t been one in 10yrs it’s an office building not used so it was outside the area ppl that caused it. If it was ppl from there surely they would have known that.

Boz

This is just summer heatwave nonsense; isn't it the industrial fortnight holiday? These people have nothing better to do. They won't be doing this when the rain and the wind sets in again.

I agree, if it cools down and a load of rain, that’ll be the end of it.

Wyllow3

Millions of UK citizens manage to live peacefully in multicultural situations - neighbours, friends, work mates, students, carers. Why not foster this instead of incitement?

I know. It’s a nasty, divisive rhetoric

I am delighted and heartened to see Sunderland people out in force cleaning up their city.

The far right will never gain traction in the U.K. regardless of Robinsons, Farage’s and Bravermans best efforts.

Wyllow3

Millions of UK citizens manage to live peacefully in multicultural situations - neighbours, friends, work mates, students, carers. Why not foster this instead of incitement?

100% agreement from me

nanaK54

Wyllow3

Millions of UK citizens manage to live peacefully in multicultural situations - neighbours, friends, work mates, students, carers. Why not foster this instead of incitement?

100% agreement from me

I bet many posters have neighbours whose origins are from other than the U.K.

I have neighbours either side.

One a young family both parents work for the NHS. The woman is from the U.K. a mental health nurse specialising in maternity, the chap is from Zimbabwe and works for NHS England in London.

The other neighbours are the woman who works for the foreign office, has a Scottish accent but whose origins are Indian, her husband of British origin runs his own business.

My soon to be granddaughter-in-law is of Egyptian origin.

My daughters brother in law is from Jamaica and works for the government high up in intelligence, lives in a very posh area in Sussex.

My husband’s grandmother originated from Spain.

I’m as far as I know entirely British.

Multi-culturalism alive and well in our community and family.