Starmer’s Speech 01/08/24

And many more decent ordinary people recognise the vast contribution that immigration gives to our economy.

While we are in the mood of applauding the decent and forthright speech made by Starmer, irrespective of our political allegiaance, it is worth being reminded of the decent, fairminded Tories who were the victim of Johnson's time in office. I always admired Dominic Grieve for one, and this post on Twitter confirmed it for me:

^It's impossible to view the postings of Farage, without utter revulsion&.
He masquerades as a " reasoned commentator" on what he claims to be a national crisis linked to immigrants while claiming he deplores any lawlessness. Then he hints at more lawlessness if his warnings are not heeded.
The reality is that his entire political future is dependent on fomenting confrontation and division. It is by creating a climate of crisis that he has got where he has.
And some of my former Conservative colleagues have argued the Conservatives should be linking up with Reform! Perhaps this shameful episode will open their eyes to his malevolence.

Of course there is two tier policing. Whilst the actions of rent a mob cannot be condoned many ordinary decent people have had enough of the detrimental effect mass immigration has had on the fabric of this country. Something has to give.

I agree that better education and more, accurate information would reduce the tendency to street violence of the kind we are seeing but I also think there is a low lying stratum of society that will never be sufficiently educated to resist being manipulated by the worst type of politician or influencer.

He's not going on a.. summer holiday.
He's not going for a week or two..
Fun and laughter n his, summer holiday...

Nannashirlz

Yes he’s gotta say something he’s going on holiday today not my Pm the sooner labour out the better for me

Keep up at the back
He is not going on holiday!

AGAA4

Oreo

All leave will be cancelled and forces combine in troubled areas.

I wish more people would understand the sacrifices the police make to keep us safe.
My DH has been involved in policing riots over the years. I remember his exhaustion as no rest days at those times. Also the children hardly saw him. I did feel like a single parent sometimes.

My ex DH was in the Met for years so I know all about cancelled leave. Including high days and holidays as you know.
CID isn’t for the faint hearted, including the wives.

He is your PM, Nannashirlz, like it or not.

Some of us have had fourteen long years of not having our views represented, and yes, we've criticised policies and personalities at times, but we recognised that the Tories were the government, and didn't tell lies about what they were and weren't doing.

We've seen, and are still seeing where disinformation leads. I wish GN would delete it from on here.

Nannashirlz

Yes he’s gotta say something he’s going on holiday today not my Pm the sooner labour out the better for me

NOT TRUE

check your facts.

Inflammatory.

Yes he’s gotta say something he’s going on holiday today not my Pm the sooner labour out the better for me

LauraNorderr

I thought Keir Starmer gave a good, sincere and forthright speech. I judge him to be a credible and honest politician, an intelligent man. A sincere family man.
If this next five years pans out the way he clearly hopes then he may get my vote.
His cabinet though have to prove themselves before I switch allegiance for the first time in my life.
The hatred leading to this thuggery can only be stamped out with education, education, education. The media, politicians and public have a huge role to play in using appropriate language, only giving proven facts and showing, what I hope still exists, our traditional tolerance and compassion to others.

Absolute agreement from me

Allsorts

I don't think much of his speach. He is papering over cracks. He is not listening. There are thugs and yes they need dealing with, they are at the front throwing bricks and setting fires scaring everyone and hurting the peacemakers. Look beyond those people to the masses who feel threatened and ignored, and voices not listened too, the peaceful ones, he doesn't address them or care.

That speech was specifically to address the riot at Southport and further riots in terms of policing and containment.
I'm sure Starmer does listen, only too well aware in fact, and would want to do more, but his ability to immediately address the problems of those who feel disenfranchised or worried limited.

Chocolatelovinggran

And - gosh, the strangest of days - I'm agreeing with Pritti Patel...

I was astounded to find that I did, too. She was so unpleasant as Home Secretary.

And - gosh, the strangest of days - I'm agreeing with Pritti Patel...

Allsorts, I repeat what I have said on other threads. We have had an election, at which every adult citizen had the right to vote.
The majority did not vote for the rhetoric of Reform.
Those who disagree with the outcome of the election declare themselves " threatened and ignored ".
Shall we ignore the will of the people and hand over all decisions to those who complain that they are " not listened to"?
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AGAA4

I have much more confidence in Starmer after his speech. I hope he will be good for this country. We are desperate for a someone who will actually lead. We've been missing an effective leader for too long.

I agree

I have much more confidence in Starmer after his speech. I hope he will be good for this country. We are desperate for a someone who will actually lead. We've been missing an effective leader for too long.

I don't think much of his speach. He is papering over cracks. He is not listening. There are thugs and yes they need dealing with, they are at the front throwing bricks and setting fires scaring everyone and hurting the peacemakers. Look beyond those people to the masses who feel threatened and ignored, and voices not listened too, the peaceful ones, he doesn't address them or care.

Oreo

All leave will be cancelled and forces combine in troubled areas.

I wish more people would understand the sacrifices the police make to keep us safe.
My DH has been involved in policing riots over the years. I remember his exhaustion as no rest days at those times. Also the children hardly saw him. I did feel like a single parent sometimes.

Well done Priti! Never thought I’d say that … but credit where it’s due.

LizzieDrip

^Of course it will, and the police will accept their cancelled family plans and wasted expenses as they always do. Let's hope their efforts get some wider appreciation rather than the blanket condemnation some are quick to give^

Rosie51 well said.

And hopefully no more of the ridiculous ‘two tier policing’ trope!

Even Priti Patel has said that the 'two tier placing' thing is not correct.

I do wish people would stop to think before trotting out cliches. It's so harmful.

LauraNorderr

I thought Keir Starmer gave a good, sincere and forthright speech. I judge him to be a credible and honest politician, an intelligent man. A sincere family man.
If this next five years pans out the way he clearly hopes then he may get my vote.
His cabinet though have to prove themselves before I switch allegiance for the first time in my life.
The hatred leading to this thuggery can only be stamped out with education, education, education. The media, politicians and public have a huge role to play in using appropriate language, only giving proven facts and showing, what I hope still exists, our traditional tolerance and compassion to others.

What a good and welcome post.

I also think it is beholden on every citizen to watch every word we say in this febrile atmosphere.

Of course it will, and the police will accept their cancelled family plans and wasted expenses as they always do. Let's hope their efforts get some wider appreciation rather than the blanket condemnation some are quick to give

Rosie51 well said.

And hopefully no more of the ridiculous ‘two tier policing’ trope!

^I thought Keir Starmer gave a good, sincere and forthright speech. I judge him to be a credible and honest politician, an intelligent man. A sincere family man.
If this next five years pans out the way he clearly hopes then he may get my vote.
His cabinet though have to prove themselves before I switch allegiance for the first time in my life.
The hatred leading to this thuggery can only be stamped out with education, education, education. The media, politicians and public have a huge role to play in using appropriate language, only giving proven facts and showing, what I hope still exists, our traditional tolerance and compassion to others^

LauraNorderr hear, hear👏👏👏

I hope (believe) the Labour cabinet will prove themselves enough to win your vote next time round

I particularly agree with your final paragraph. Thank you.

Oreo

All leave will be cancelled and forces combine in troubled areas.

Of course it will, and the police will accept their cancelled family plans and wasted expenses as they always do. Let's hope their efforts get some wider appreciation rather than the blanket condemnation some are quick to give.

Starmer's speech was excellent. Measured but forceful, I hope he can get a grip on this situation. I also hope the judges will give out more than slapped wrists when offenders are brought to court.