The tide has turned

The tide may have turned and am sure we all fervently hope it really has, as regards to running battles in the streets, tho with more hot weather to come I say that with fingers crossed.
The question around immigration won’t go away until it’s solved, there was a Labour MP, can’t remember his name,on Breakfast tv saying their aim is to both reduce official immigration numbers which they concede are too high, and to deal effectively with the small boats and people who arrive here that way.
I really hope they manage to succeed in their aims.

Urmstongran

I have never said the police officers aren’t brave and courageous. Of course they are. I just don’t think ‘the tide has turned’ properly addresses some underlying concerns. It’s a bit ‘rainbows and unicorns’ I’m afraid.

Rainbows and unicorns are for children We’re all adults here and need to take responsibility for our words and actions.

Online in particular.

I’m very offended for our all decent police at your post instead of being hopeful and seeing a way forward as others are trying to do.

making ill-informed and ill-judged comments can only be inflammatory..

pascal30

making ill-informed and ill-judged comments can only be inflammatory..

I totally agree. Not everything we read in the papers is fact based with evidence.
“Careless talk costs lives”

Are there photos of people with knives?

Yes.
Google is your friend.

Am just so glad that huge numbers of people all across the UK came out to show that despite a violent and racist minority saying that they speak for the people of this nation, it is glaringly obvious that they don’t, and never will.

Urmstongran

^Are there photos of people with knives?^

Yes.
Google is your friend.

Google will also show you pictures of unicorns and rainbows. Not all friends speak the truth.

Urmstongran

A step towards Sharia Law came to my mind if I’m honest. This attitude by the Police really alarms me.

There is no two-tier policing.

Yes, lots of areas have both community policing and community leaders, it’s not in any way unusual.

Babs03

Am just so glad that huge numbers of people all across the UK came out to show that despite a violent and racist minority saying that they speak for the people of this nation, it is glaringly obvious that they don’t, and never will.

👏👏👏👏👏

Whitewavemark2

Amazing isn’t it.

This thread is good news about the fact that the authorities are beginning to think that the tide has turned snd that the thugs destruction to our communities and and lives has been thwarted.

How on earth do we get almost immediately to a place of hate one again, by this entirely false conspiracy theory pushed out by the likes of Farage and Musk that has zero basis in truth snd should never be given the time of day.

This spread of misinformation must stop. That way lies madness, hate snd violence.

To be fair, its not really amazing is it WW? Just another day with the same old, same old.

Any minute now we'll get grooming gangs/they come here and take our jobs/the women walk behind the men.

Urmstongran

I have never said the police officers aren’t brave and courageous. Of course they are. I just don’t think ‘the tide has turned’ properly addresses some underlying concerns. It’s a bit ‘rainbows and unicorns’ I’m afraid.

No sensible and sane parent gives a toddler what he/she wants to calm down a tantrum. The parent might very well think about how to prevent a future tantrum (maybe the parent is being unreasonable, maybe the child really does get stressed in certain situations), but giving into the child just legitimises unacceptable behaviour. It's the same with antisocial yobs.

Sky News, GB News and ITV are all saying this morning that the Police keep saying Far Right and never say Far or Hard Left.
All 3 station reporters are finally asking questions! (GB News always do).

They are also asking how it has suddenly been possible to get people through the courts when it normally takes ages which can be very upsetting for victims. They say this is also TwoTier.

Two tier policing (in this specific context:

Protest peacefully and you won’t get arrested.

Burn libraries, attack police officers, loot shops, attack hotels, riot, and you will.

And yes, Urms it is common for protestors, and organisers of marches and demonstrations, even royal processions. to liaise with the police ahead of time. Every responsible organiser and community representative does so. It’s how licences and permissions how sorted, how routes and timings are agreed, how public transport diversions and road closures are negotiated, how risk assessments are completed, and, if course, how policing numbers and approaches are decided.

Urmstongran

The article growstuff. I just don’t like this approach of one rule for some and a different rule for others. It needs to be equally robust across ALL sections of society. Even Elon Musk is calling Starmer 2tK now.

“Even Elon Musk”

If you cannot recognise that the Torygraph is vehemently heavily criticising every single thing the LP are trying to achieve and actually projecting things that might not even happen.

As for Elon Musk, there are no words! He’s given Yaxley-Lennon a platform back and he financially supports Trump’s election campaign. Why would you take any notice of him?

Primrose53

Sky News, GB News and ITV are all saying this morning that the Police keep saying Far Right and never say Far or Hard Left.
All 3 station reporters are finally asking questions! (GB News always do).

They are also asking how it has suddenly been possible to get people through the courts when it normally takes ages which can be very upsetting for victims. They say this is also TwoTier.

Really Primrose

Honestly damned if they do, damned if they don’t comes to mind.

I listen to people with different views, I can cope with listening to views from the telegraph, the guardian and Elon musk.

When the “Far or Hard Left” go out into the streets and cause mayhem be assured that’s how they will be addressed by the police and the public alike…

Would the tv industry like to see the unrest and disorder continue?

I think they know the reasons behind the swift and effective response to this disorder.

Most of the adult population do without it needing to be explained to them.

Cossy

Primrose53

Sky News, GB News and ITV are all saying this morning that the Police keep saying Far Right and never say Far or Hard Left.
All 3 station reporters are finally asking questions! (GB News always do).

They are also asking how it has suddenly been possible to get people through the courts when it normally takes ages which can be very upsetting for victims. They say this is also TwoTier.

Really Primrose

Honestly damned if they do, damned if they don’t comes to mind.

Everybody should be treated the same. I speak from personal experience. I had to wait 6-9 months for a person who nearly killed me to get to court. It was a very stressful time. As the reporters said “how come this time they are in court within days”. It’s KS trying to look big.

Good post growstuff

The government is already turning its attention to the future, and looking at the rioters “apparent” grievances.

Someone said it can be divided into a bout 5 categories I think it was.

From memory.

Hardened criminals. Many have previous record of violence. It is simply a way of life for them

Footballers - apparently - whilst still largely controlled by the police, these people still exist snd take every opportunity to kick off when they can

Onlookers - these are people who wander down to have a look and get drawn into the violence

People feeling aggrieved at their lot in life - I think these are the most complicated. Everyone of these people will have a different tale to tell, but the outcome is to feel the need to get back at “the government” or “the police” or “the elite” “the immigrants” etc.

These are the people that need the most investigation in order to help them. Personally I think the huge gap in inequality is the biggest factor.

The last category I think from memory are the people being influenced by SM and the conspiracy theories that we are all very well aware of. In this case I think that the police snd government need an urgent overhaul of the law and ability to stop these people inciting riot and violence.

Parliamentarians should also be made aware what is unacceptable language imo

They are also asking how it has suddenly been possible to get people through the courts when it normally takes ages which can be very upsetting for victims. They say this is also TwoTier.

No, it isn’t. Legal experts have explained ad nauseum on Twitter and other social media. The Criminal Bar Association have explained the difference in process and timescales between pleading guilty and being dealt with at a magistrates court and pleading not guilty so moving on to Crown courts.

Essentially, people who plead guilty to violent disorder at their first appearance can be sentenced quickly.

People who have not been convicted cannot be sentenced. For anything. Because they are still not guilty. (Courtesy of The Secret Barrister on Twitter, but also reflecting what Yvette Cooper was forced to explain to Kate Hoey a couple of days back)

Quoutes from the Criminal Bar Association on Radio 4’s Today programme:

“Riots:

If charges result in a not guilty plea and it’s a sufficiently serious alleged offence to be committed to the Crown Court, Chair Tana Adkin explains process, human capacity and likely timing to @BBCr4today with no special treatment on listing rather they form the usual orderly queue for any custody and bailed cases with typical waits of 18 months for a trial, often far longer for bailed rape cases

“At the moment if a case goes to the Crown Court and is a trial so someone pleads not guilty they are going to wait about 18 months for the trial because of the backlog and because of the lack of availability of judges and criminal barristers” - “and it includes rioters?” - “it includes everyone. Judges are responsible for listing cases and so judges list cases in a sort of conveyor belt as it were, as cases come they are given the next list and they give the next available date for a trial. That won’t change. It’s not as if these sorts of cases are given priority at all.”

I'm glad to hear the "cautious optimism". a lot of hard behind the scenes work must be going on sifting the social media posts that plan and threaten.

Our country can do without comments from Musk, who has bought himself into a situation where he thinks he has a right to comment on the UK to further his own personal political agenda.

He can comment on whatever he likes within the law.

Galaxy

He can comment on whatever he likes within the law.

Are conspiracy theories within the law?

What do you mean. Do you mean the two tier comment.

Are you planning to arrest flat earther next?