Keir Starmer aka Captain Flip Flop

Keir Starmer, the animated budgie, is the hero of most on here. Criticise him at your peril!

MayBee70

I think this is actually me now done with gransnet. If anyone wants to keep in touch please pm me and I’ll give you my email address

What a massive over reaction.

What you should be criticising is the cut-off point for the WFP, not the fact that it has been cut off for "better-off" pensioners.

Pensioners come with different incomes - some have only the State pension, which may also be at a lower level than average, and some have occupational pensions, or ones which they have augmented by higher payments when they had the means to do so, and some have investments that yield high interests. Yet the winter fuel payments went to all. That had to change.

The chosen cut-off point has been set at the level where people are eligible for Pension Credit, but there must be a better point that doesn't leave some people worse off than they should be. I would assume that the resultant outcry will cause it to be re-assessed and changed in the next session of Parliament.

I hadn’t realised that criticism of this PM was not permissible.

Obviously it is only permissible to criticise and name call Conservatives.

Now I understand this unwritten GN rule, I will consider my own membership of GN…

I think this is actually me now done with gransnet. If anyone wants to keep in touch please pm me and I’ll give you my email address

Oreo

MayBee70

And how dare you describe the PM with a term coined by a previous PM who was thrown out of parliament for lying

Well, it looks as if posters will be met with an angry ‘how dare you’ if you criticise Keir Starmer.
Guess what maybee70 we can all describe any politician any way we like.

So why repeat a term coined by Boris Johnson?

nightowl

I don’t understand why the OP met with such hostility for a pretty innocuous post. Or are we just not allowed to criticise Keir Starmer of this government at all? We are not all comfortably off pensioners who can manage without the WFA. And I fail to see how a clip of an interview can be dismissed as ‘unverified’.

Because as I pointed out the term was a derogatory one used by the lying disgraced Boris Johnson repeatedly in parliament and imo should not be repeated.At this moment in time a lot of people seem to be trying to undermine his for various reasons.

MayBee70

And how dare you describe the PM with a term coined by a previous PM who was thrown out of parliament for lying

Well, it looks as if posters will be met with an angry ‘how dare you’ if you criticise Keir Starmer.
Guess what maybee70 we can all describe any politician any way we like.

Good luck to all of you that don't need it. I have the new state pension, minus £7.00 per week due to being contracted out. I also have a occ pen.
The winter fuel allowance was helpful as I had a astronical gas bill so I paid this into this account.
I am sick of pensioners saying oh we don't need it, when there are many pensioners who don5 get it who do.

I don’t understand why the OP met with such hostility for a pretty innocuous post. Or are we just not allowed to criticise Keir Starmer of this government at all? We are not all comfortably off pensioners who can manage without the WFA. And I fail to see how a clip of an interview can be dismissed as ‘unverified’.

Can people on here tell us how many times you have to post on GN before you are allowed to express a view. Are there rules I am not aware of.

What a load of aggressive tripe aimed at thehappygardener
Hardly in the spirit of Gransnet.

TheHappyGardner must be fairly new to GN as they didn't realise that criticising the sainted Starmer and his party was going to bring out the keyboard warriers in force. It's been fairly quiet for them since the election without having the Tories to bash so I'm sure they're thrilled.

Oreo 👏👏👏

I will not forgive RR and the PM for this cruel act.

What’s next Rachel Reeves? The triple lock, the bus pass?🤬

TheHappyGardener

www.facebook.com/share/r/exvmifyEty7nktay/?mibextid=UalRPS

(Apologies to those who don’t have FB and can’t see the content - I couldn’t work out another way of copying the video)
I think anyone who, like me, feels aggrieved by Labour’s decision on the pensioners’ winter fuel payment should share this video far and wide on social media - maybe it can force a discussion at Prime Minister’s Question Time??

I’m happy to share this, it’s beyond belief that a Labour government has done this, millions of pensioners that were very grateful for the WFA, like my Mum will now either be switching off the heating or I will have to help with the bill.
I’m far from well off myself.
Taking the allowance away for the well heeled pensioners is one thing, to only allow those on benefits to have it is quite another.

Ok - and this before I leave Gransnet for good. I’m an ordinary grandma in my 60s who won’t get my state pension for another 4 years (so never been in receipt of the WFP). I left my relatively well-paid job 4 years ago to look after my mother who has dementia. Two years ago, I had to find alternative part-time work to boost my meagre private pension (meagre because I’d left my job before my pension age). I’m now on just above the minimum wage. This year my husband reached state pension age but between us our earnings are just above the level for pension credit. The winter fuel payment would have been very helpful for us. None of this is really anyone’s business but our’s but I’ve told you to try and explain my reasons for my original post.

I am not ‘naive’, I do have ‘a mind of my own’ and I’m not ‘led like a sheep’. Neither am I rude - which a lot of you Gransnetters are!

I HAVE posted on here before, but mostly I read with interest other people’s posts. I’m truly shocked at your reactions to mine and won’t hang around to read any subsequent replies.

Nothing amiss with the video, just showing him backing the pensioners pre election and saying how they couldn’t afford the bills. Then he’s done a u turn, as we know. Personally I can’t understand why well off people get help of any kind, including free bus passes. Regardless of age we should be supporting people who through no fault of their own need help. So although he has changed his stance, again, he’s actually right on this.

TheHappyGardener

www.facebook.com/share/r/exvmifyEty7nktay/?mibextid=UalRPS

(Apologies to those who don’t have FB and can’t see the content - I couldn’t work out another way of copying the video)
I think anyone who, like me, feels aggrieved by Labour’s decision on the pensioners’ winter fuel payment should share this video far and wide on social media - maybe it can force a discussion at Prime Minister’s Question Time??

A Torygraph reader I imagine.
There will be winter fuel payments, but targeted at pensioners who need it, we have friends who have private pensions that mean they are so well off they can’t even spend a fraction of their money before they die. And yet they got the winter fuel payments.
We did too and though by no means well off gave a bit to our grown families to help them pay the bills.
Why give money to a whole section of society without figuring out who needs it.

"what a judgmental bunch if someone posts something you don’t agree with"

I don't judge those who don't agree with me, but I am quite prepared to be judgmental when someone wants me to help insult a PM who is actually trying (against this kind of negativism) to tackle the many problems facing the country.

HappyGardener far from being ‘judgemental’, what you’ll find is that posters on GN have our own opinions, and are confident in voicing them - across all political spectrums.

We tend not to be led like sheep - we like to think for ourselves.

Maybe you thought GN would be ‘easy pickings’ - how wrong can you be

He is restricting the Winter Fuel Payment to those who are in most need of it. At 85+ I won't be getting it from now on, but I can manage without. So can many pensioners with occupational pensions as well as the State one. The big question is "How does anyone decide on who really needs it and who can manage without?" when the pot of money available is limited and has to be spread very wide. That is open to dicussion.

At what level would YOU add Pension Credit to pensioners' income, and make them eligible for WFP, Happy Gardner ? Sharing insulting knicknames without giving a constructive suggestion for an alternative is just throwing mud for the sake of seeing it land.

foxie48

I'm quite happy for the fuel payment to be removed. I am in favour of extra support being targetted at those who need it not universally.

Me too.

I agree with 'foxie48' . I did vote Labour but I must say I am beyond impressed with KS's performance and stand on the rioters- no flip flopping there.

I'm quite happy for the fuel payment to be removed. I am in favour of extra support being targetted at those who need it not universally.