Keir Starmer aka Captain Flip Flop

I won't thank you. I wouldn't trust anything unverified from Facebook.

I'm not on Facebook so can't see the link but is this just another jibe at Starmer?

No thank you,

As far as I am concernedd -and I have ever never voted Labour - . Keir Starmer stands head and shoulders above the shower he replaced.

As for the withdrawal of the Winter Fuel payment. I agree that the issue has not been handled well and they should have thought about those whose income is just above PC level, but as a confortabley off pensioner I am more than happy to manage with our the WFP and I see no reason why better off pensioners should get it.

Perhaps the problem is that the Pension Credit level is set too low? If it was higher, then pensioners who are just above the current limit would be able to benefit. I’m quite unable to understand why a pensioner on Pension Credit is supposed to manage on approximately £11,500 a year, whilst minimum wage brings in approximately £20,000 a year. I’m afraid those two facts defeat all reasoning to me.

Absolutely not!

My reasons are as follows:

1) Not on FB.

2) Wouldn’t share anything that couldn’t be verified by a reputable source.

3) FB is NOT a reputable source.

4) Suspicious of anyone saying ‘share this far and wide’.

No thanks!

Is this the first time The Happy Gardner has posted on gransnet? If so I can only question their motive for doing so and wonder why they think we are so naive.

Blimey …. at no point did I infer anyone HAD to share it, I just thought it would be interesting to some …. each to their own of course

TheHappyGardener

Blimey …. at no point did I infer anyone HAD to share it, I just thought it would be interesting to some …. each to their own of course

So, have you posted before or have you joined gransnet purely to get people to share it?

MayBee70

Is this the first time The Happy Gardner has posted on gransnet? If so I can only question their motive for doing so and wonder why they think we are so naive.

No, not the first time MayBee70 but certainly it might be the last - what a judgmental bunch if someone posts something you don’t agree with!

And how dare you describe the PM with a term coined by a previous PM who was thrown out of parliament for lying

I'm quite happy for the fuel payment to be removed. I am in favour of extra support being targetted at those who need it not universally.

I agree with 'foxie48' . I did vote Labour but I must say I am beyond impressed with KS's performance and stand on the rioters- no flip flopping there.

foxie48

I'm quite happy for the fuel payment to be removed. I am in favour of extra support being targetted at those who need it not universally.

Me too.

He is restricting the Winter Fuel Payment to those who are in most need of it. At 85+ I won't be getting it from now on, but I can manage without. So can many pensioners with occupational pensions as well as the State one. The big question is "How does anyone decide on who really needs it and who can manage without?" when the pot of money available is limited and has to be spread very wide. That is open to dicussion.

At what level would YOU add Pension Credit to pensioners' income, and make them eligible for WFP, Happy Gardner ? Sharing insulting knicknames without giving a constructive suggestion for an alternative is just throwing mud for the sake of seeing it land.

HappyGardener far from being ‘judgemental’, what you’ll find is that posters on GN have our own opinions, and are confident in voicing them - across all political spectrums.

We tend not to be led like sheep - we like to think for ourselves.

Maybe you thought GN would be ‘easy pickings’ - how wrong can you be

"what a judgmental bunch if someone posts something you don’t agree with"

I don't judge those who don't agree with me, but I am quite prepared to be judgmental when someone wants me to help insult a PM who is actually trying (against this kind of negativism) to tackle the many problems facing the country.

TheHappyGardener

www.facebook.com/share/r/exvmifyEty7nktay/?mibextid=UalRPS

(Apologies to those who don’t have FB and can’t see the content - I couldn’t work out another way of copying the video)
I think anyone who, like me, feels aggrieved by Labour’s decision on the pensioners’ winter fuel payment should share this video far and wide on social media - maybe it can force a discussion at Prime Minister’s Question Time??

A Torygraph reader I imagine.
There will be winter fuel payments, but targeted at pensioners who need it, we have friends who have private pensions that mean they are so well off they can’t even spend a fraction of their money before they die. And yet they got the winter fuel payments.
We did too and though by no means well off gave a bit to our grown families to help them pay the bills.
Why give money to a whole section of society without figuring out who needs it.

Nothing amiss with the video, just showing him backing the pensioners pre election and saying how they couldn’t afford the bills. Then he’s done a u turn, as we know. Personally I can’t understand why well off people get help of any kind, including free bus passes. Regardless of age we should be supporting people who through no fault of their own need help. So although he has changed his stance, again, he’s actually right on this.

Ok - and this before I leave Gransnet for good. I’m an ordinary grandma in my 60s who won’t get my state pension for another 4 years (so never been in receipt of the WFP). I left my relatively well-paid job 4 years ago to look after my mother who has dementia. Two years ago, I had to find alternative part-time work to boost my meagre private pension (meagre because I’d left my job before my pension age). I’m now on just above the minimum wage. This year my husband reached state pension age but between us our earnings are just above the level for pension credit. The winter fuel payment would have been very helpful for us. None of this is really anyone’s business but our’s but I’ve told you to try and explain my reasons for my original post.

I am not ‘naive’, I do have ‘a mind of my own’ and I’m not ‘led like a sheep’. Neither am I rude - which a lot of you Gransnetters are!

I HAVE posted on here before, but mostly I read with interest other people’s posts. I’m truly shocked at your reactions to mine and won’t hang around to read any subsequent replies.

TheHappyGardener

www.facebook.com/share/r/exvmifyEty7nktay/?mibextid=UalRPS

(Apologies to those who don’t have FB and can’t see the content - I couldn’t work out another way of copying the video)
I think anyone who, like me, feels aggrieved by Labour’s decision on the pensioners’ winter fuel payment should share this video far and wide on social media - maybe it can force a discussion at Prime Minister’s Question Time??

I’m happy to share this, it’s beyond belief that a Labour government has done this, millions of pensioners that were very grateful for the WFA, like my Mum will now either be switching off the heating or I will have to help with the bill.
I’m far from well off myself.
Taking the allowance away for the well heeled pensioners is one thing, to only allow those on benefits to have it is quite another.

What’s next Rachel Reeves? The triple lock, the bus pass?🤬

Oreo 👏👏👏

I will not forgive RR and the PM for this cruel act.

TheHappyGardner must be fairly new to GN as they didn't realise that criticising the sainted Starmer and his party was going to bring out the keyboard warriers in force. It's been fairly quiet for them since the election without having the Tories to bash so I'm sure they're thrilled.