Keir Starmer aka Captain Flip Flop

Well I supported the policies of Corbyn and McDonnel, and that was no picnic on here!

Gransnet is for everyone, and disagreements are bound to happen. If people leave because of some posters being unpleasant we will be left with the views of the same posters.

Which is exactly the intention of some posters on this thread today.

twinnytwin

TheHappyGardner must be fairly new to GN as they didn't realise that criticising the sainted Starmer and his party was going to bring out the keyboard warriers in force. It's been fairly quiet for them since the election without having the Tories to bash so I'm sure they're thrilled.

What a divisive and quite silly comment.

It’s almost as bad as accusing those of us who show compassion towards asylum seekers as “wanting unfettered, uncontrolled immigration” when not one person on GN has ever ever said this.

Doodledog

How is posting in praise of the Conservatives giving an opinion, but posting in defence of the government become 'willing to die for Labour and Starmer' and 'bullying', 'threatening' or 'intimidating'?

This confrontational and divisive way of posting is getting out of hand, and the 'you know who you are' comment is borderline threatening.

Ignore it, as one poster commented “water off a ducks back”

My response to her is simply “quack, quack quack”

Btw the people I would die for (or kill for) is my children, not some politician I’ve never met!

MayBee70

Is this the first time The Happy Gardner has posted on gransnet? If so I can only question their motive for doing so and wonder why they think we are so naive.

It's easy to find out that TheHappyGardener has posted previously on Gransnet, Maybee70.

Motive for doing so? I would have thought that was obvious.

Baggs made a valid point earlier in the thread about Child Benefit. Some may need it, others not.

The point about these benefits which are not incorporated into the State Pension is that they can be withdrawn at any point. State Pensions in other countries are higher than those in the UK.

The other point is that the WFA will vote payable to those in receipt of Pension Credit but how many never apply for this? Sometimes applying for these extra benefits is so onerous it is beyond many people.

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MayBee70
And how dare you describe the PM with a term coined by a previous PM who was thrown out of parliament for lying.

Quite easily evidently. Probably felt it is justified.

Baggs

To those who think the opening post "infammatory".... you could always just ignore it. Isn't that usually regarded as the best way for things not to get inflamed?

It would seem to be sensible!
However ......

Hi Happy Gardener. All views should be able to post without being laid into, realistically though Im afraid you must never, ever hint at any criticism of the sainted Starmer. Carry on daring to express your views, if people disagree so what.

Cossy

twinnytwin

TheHappyGardner must be fairly new to GN as they didn't realise that criticising the sainted Starmer and his party was going to bring out the keyboard warriers in force. It's been fairly quiet for them since the election without having the Tories to bash so I'm sure they're thrilled.

What a divisive and quite silly comment.

It’s almost as bad as accusing those of us who show compassion towards asylum seekers as “wanting unfettered, uncontrolled immigration” when not one person on GN has ever ever said this.

You obviously didn’t read the post above by GNHQ. 😉

You obviously didn’t read the post above by GNHQ. 😉
Obviously.

rafichagran

BevSec

Thank goodness you are staying thehappy gardener😘

Ditto.

Another ditto

Just a quick note to posters - our Prime Minister is Sir Keir Starmer. I have seen no one describe him as St Keir Starmer.
I expect some people have been speed reading: easy mistake to make.

I spent some time trawling through past posts on News and Politics from 2020 onwards, and the level of vituperation from a few persistent posters against the Conservative was truly shocking. Some are still doing it while at the same time attempting to prevent any criticism of the present government.

Would it have anything to do with the way boris and co behaved, though?

Hardly an astounding finding, surely eazybee? People will continue to fight from their entrenched positions on both sides of the fence for what they believe in, all politicians and their policies are fair game, and I have no doubt that there will continue to be controversial posts from all comers. Some people fight dirtier than others, but that certainly isn’t peculiar to one political party’s supporters, far from it.
In fact, I don’t see how political debate could ever be anything else - as long as we all draw a line at personally insulting each other.

Yes actually I think eazybee is on to something….

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eazybee

I spent some time trawling through past posts on News and Politics from 2020 onwards, and the level of vituperation from a few persistent posters against the Conservative was truly shocking. Some are still doing it while at the same time attempting to prevent any criticism of the present government.

You are correct eazybee, I have been aware of this too. It seems they think it’s fine to run down the Conservative party for all those years but that’s not enough for them. They then have to carry on but getting digs in against anybody who makes comments they don’t like against Labour.

Why can’t they just be happy to support their party and leave it at that?

Primrose53
Why can’t they just be happy to support their party and leave it at that?

Maybe they’re afraid the criticisms might turn out to be true.

They certainly were about Starmer’s demand that Sunak withdraw plans for removal of the WFA from pensioners to fill the black hole, then his U-turn once he was in power for exactly the same reason.

It’s there for all to see and hear, and saying it wasn’t in his manifesto doesn’t change that.
Of course it wasn’t in his manifesto. He wouldn’t risk people seeing that just after he said Sunak was wrong for doing it.

Primrose53

eazybee

I spent some time trawling through past posts on News and Politics from 2020 onwards, and the level of vituperation from a few persistent posters against the Conservative was truly shocking. Some are still doing it while at the same time attempting to prevent any criticism of the present government.

You are correct eazybee, I have been aware of this too. It seems they think it’s fine to run down the Conservative party for all those years but that’s not enough for them. They then have to carry on but getting digs in against anybody who makes comments they don’t like against Labour.

Why can’t they just be happy to support their party and leave it at that?

Pot kettle black Primrose.

Can we please move away from 'Some Posters' and 'they'?

It's so passive aggressive. If someone has a point to make about a particular person or people, why not quote them if they've trawled old posts for evidence, or at least say who it is they are picking on? It is every bit as personal to dig at people 'anonymously' as it is to be honest about who is on the receiving end of the digs, and it denies them the right to post in their own defence, so is very unfair.

It’s against talk guidelines to talk about other threads anyway from what I gather