Yaxley-Lennon - false passport?

Fleurpepper

Didn't you read Sago's post just above. It does- but the procedure is very strict, proof required with birth certificates, and takes quite a while. So someone desperate, because of criminal conviction on original passport from place of birth, and Brexit restrictions to movement to Europe- may have taken illegal shortcuts. In this case, if and when proven by investigation, stating Ireland as place of birth.

One of my friends applied after Brexit, and the procedure was not simple and it took over 1 year.

It didn't take long when I did it. I think there was a bit of a logjam round Brexit but if you've got all the certificates it is straightforward and it definitely didn't take anywhere near a year when I did it.

Good to hear!

Since Brexit, it has become more complicated, because there are now so many applications.

It does qualify you MissAdventure, but then the fun begins, as you gather ALL of the relevant documents.

My daughter-in-law got her Irish passport very quickly. She was born in America but her father was born in Ireland.

Basically if your parent was born there you don't have the same rigmarole as if they were born outside Ireland but were registered after

If your parent was born in Ireland, you are automatically an Irish citizen by birth.

That’s good to hear.

I am an Irish citizen but my children had to register on the FBR, my son is going to live in Dublin as of January so he’s thrilled to have an Irish passport.

Great result MandL

I just wanted to say a big thank you to earlier posters. Due to the information posted on this thread, my son has just received his Irish passport! It’s taken a year, but without this thread we wouldn’t have known that as he had a Northern Irish grandparent he had an entitlement. Thank you!

Maerion

I agree, Wyllow. Yaxley-Lennon has the ring of an aristocratic hippie running a commune … or maybe a cult which YL certainly does run, his followers all too willing to crowdfund his lifestyle.

I did some sleuthing through genealogy records. Both of his maternal grandparents were born in Dublin and married in Dublin. His mother was born in Dublin in 1957.

Looks like his maternal grandparents and their Dublin-born children first arrived in Luton in the early 1960s whereupon they had more two more children. The family appears in Luton voter lists from 1963 onwards. His mother is first listed to vote in 1975 when she was 18.

She married English-born Malcom Yaxley in 1980 and Thomas Lennon in 1990. Birth registrations in Luton for Stephen Yaxley and his slightly older brother were then re-registered.

The Irish Department of Foreign Affairs says you are automatically an Irish citizen if one of your parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland. You can also become an Irish citizen if one of your grandparents was born in Ireland. Either way he would qualify to apply for an Irish passport but unless his parents just happened to be visiting Ireland when his mother gave birth (but still registered him in Luton), I doubt very much that he was born in Ireland.

Apparently he and a second cousin on his mother's side Kevin Carroll set up the EDL together, no idea where he was born

If you were born in England but have an Irish parent it will have GB as your place of birth on your Irish passport rather than a county such as Cork.

Let’s get all this into some perspective.

Yaxley filled out an immigration form in Canada, on this form he put his country of birth as Ireland.

An Irish parliamentarian has suggested that if he had put Ireland as his country of birth on his passport application then his passport is not valid.

He could not have lied on his passport application as his original birth certificate would have to have been provided along with parental wedding certificate etc.

So Yaxley lied on an immigration form, he’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer and probably thought as he was travelling on an Irish passport then he was to put Ireland as his country of birth.

Nandalot

But it still seems, from the Reuters article in the link by Wyllow3, that he skipped bail.

Yes, he did.

Allsorts. Hope your aim is good

growstuff

This all follows his detention by Canadian immigration officials in June. On the form (which was posted online) his country of birth is given as Ireland. Members of the Irish parliament have expressed concern that the passport could have been issued fraudulently.

Ainee- the OP and other posts do state that a full investigation is required, and confirmation either way.

However this post is fact, and checked, from Growstuff earlier

'This all follows his detention by Canadian immigration officials in June. On the form (which was posted online) his country of birth is given as Ireland. Members of the Irish parliament have expressed concern that the passport could have been issued fraudulently.'

I think it’s strange you ladies ? Are judge and jury when you don’t know the facts.

He's a 'plant', placed to cause trouble and thereby providing a good excuse for a clampdown. In the past he has had connections with pro-Zionist groups. Things aren't always what they seem. While we are 'loving to hate' these idiots we are not seeing other things. Sorry, I can't provide references, but if you are interested try listening to UK Column News and other alternative channels. Ok, it's hard to know what's true, but one thing's for certain, we aren't going to find 'truth' in any of the papers or on the BBC

But it still seems, from the Reuters article in the link by Wyllow3, that he skipped bail.

Wyllow3

Reuters fact check on the warrant on Robinson (checked 7 days ago as false rumours being spread)

www.reuters.com/fact-check/tommy-robinson-arrested-over-stop-search-not-london-demonstration-2024-08-07/

This is a separate issue. He was detained in Canada in June. I'm not sure why, but he was released. For some reason, he posted the paperwork online, which stated that he had been born in Ireland. No idea if it was a simple mistake because he was travelling on his Irish passport or whether he claimed that he was born in Ireland.

I don't think there's any doubt he is entitled to an Irish passport. The trouble with false information about his passport is that it gives a reason to hit back at his critics - and, in this case, he would be justified.

Of course, we all know that. But I am sure he had to go through due process to do so, and wait for quite some time.

These days, having a passport linked to several criminal records would be flagged up everytime it is scanned at ports or airports, both by the British system, and even more so in EU and non EU countries. Getting a second passport would be an attempt, in some cases, to try and avoid this.

Maerion, this would be no excuse anyhow. But it could be, that he was in a hurry, because a) his British passport was linked to several criminal offences which would crop up when passpot checked when leaving the country or re-entry, as in Canada fairly recently. And/or because he wanted to move to Spain in a hurry and Brexit, which he strongly advocated for, was made difficult, combined to criminal record.

Reuters fact check on the warrant on Robinson (checked 7 days ago as false rumours being spread)

www.reuters.com/fact-check/tommy-robinson-arrested-over-stop-search-not-london-demonstration-2024-08-07/

I’m no expert on this but what I am reading online suggests that all he would have to do to obtain an Irish passport would be to provide his own and his mother’s birth documents:

Additional documents

If you were born abroad to a parent born in Ireland or Northern Ireland - you should also include your Irish-born parent’s birth certificate.

www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel-and-recreation/passports/applying-for-or-renewing-an-irish-passport/

He has automatic Irish citizenship through his Dublin-born mother. He would only have to register his English birth on the Foreign Births Register if he was claiming citizenship through his Irish grandparents.

Born outside Ireland?

You are automatically an Irish citizen if one of your parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland. You can ^become an Irish citizen if one of your grandparents was born in Ireland, or you can become an Irish citizen if one of your parents was an Irish citizen at the time of your birth, but was not born in Ireland. If you’re eligible, you can register your birth on the Foreign Births Register.^

www.dfa.ie/globalirishhub/archive/sport-culture-heritage/claiming-irish-citizenship/

Any infringement he may have caused by saying he was born in Ireland would be a separate matter.

Section 20 of the Irish Passport Act 2008 says:

20 (1) A person who, whether in the State or elsewhere—

(a) in connection with an application for the issue of a passport ... provides information or documents that he knows or believes to be false or misleading in a material respect ...

is guilty of an offence.

Even if he did say on his passport application that he was born in Ireland I'm struggling to think that this is misleading in any material respect as he has automatic Irish citizenship.

It's only conjecture but if is alleged to have lied about where he was born then the simplest explanation would be that he didn't have access to his mother's or grandparents' documents to claim inherited citizenship.

Elz57, I think she meant ‘brain’!

Fleurpepper

Didn't you read Sago's post just above. It does- but the procedure is very strict, proof required with birth certificates, and takes quite a while. So someone desperate, because of criminal conviction on original passport from place of birth, and Brexit restrictions to movement to Europe- may have taken illegal shortcuts. In this case, if and when proven by investigation, stating Ireland as place of birth.

One of my friends applied after Brexit, and the procedure was not simple and it took over 1 year.

No, I didn't, because at the moment, it's all "may have" and "could have been".

This all follows his detention by Canadian immigration officials in June. On the form (which was posted online) his country of birth is given as Ireland. Members of the Irish parliament have expressed concern that the passport could have been issued fraudulently.