Killed 50 women allegedly killed by men in UK so far in 2024

I've always thought these kind of things should be part of the curriculum.

And the example set by people like Andrew Tate and his brother is shocking. He is actively promoting violence towards women and has a following among young boy and men.

Always been the same, don’t think it will ever change. 2 women a week on average killed by men every week, the stats haven’t changed in decades.

I left a violent emotionally abusive husband and am so glad I did but when you are “in it” even intelligent financially independent women don’t realise how bad it is/was until you are free. I don’t know what the answer is and now men can identify as women with no problems it means refuge spaces are not safe either . Women’s safety is a secondary concern.

MissAdventure

Presumably they don't physically abuse other men. (Most, of course, I don't mean none of them do)
I wonder why?

Men are far more likely to be murdered than women. In 2023 there were 416 men murdered and only 174 women. Men commit more murders probably because they are stronger but then tend to target men not women.

Whether men are abusing and killing women or killing other men the common denominator here is ‘men’, angry, violent men. Of course these men are in the minority but even the minority is big enough to cause untold misery here and around the world.

The most dangerous time for a woman is when she ends the relationship. The children and I had to move 150 miles away as a moonlight flit with the help of friends.

Sparklefizz

The most dangerous time for a woman is when she ends the relationship. The children and I had to move 150 miles away as a moonlight flit with the help of friends.

So glad you made it.
Well done 👏🏽👏🏽

I too believe this has always happened, but formerly no-one was prepared to admit that domestic violence took place. Obviously, is a woman was found dead in suspicious circumstances then her husband, father, boyfriend etc. might well be suspected.

Two things have changed: boys are no longer brought up to believe that they should protect girls and women, and frankly, I am amazed OP that you think any modern woman wants to be protected by her male relations, but that does not mean that boys or men should make use of brute strength to get their own way. and that no-one seems to consider it worth while teaching the male sex, these days.

What has unfortunately not changed is one serious factor in the upbringing of girls. Few parents seem to think it necessary to teach their daughters that they should never put up with anyone offering them violence. The only thing you can do with a man who hits or otherwise abuses you is report him to the police on your way out of his life for ever.

So glad you made it.
Well done 👏🏽👏🏽

Thanks Babs03

Quokka

And the example set by people like Andrew Tate and his brother is shocking. He is actively promoting violence towards women and has a following among young boy and men.

I believe Andrew Tate runs a course for young men, which they have to pay for. I read somewhere that Andrew Tate has a daughter.

Amazon openly sells a misogynistic book entitled 'Why women deserve less' among other similar titles.

If you enter the term 'feminism' on Youtube a load of questionable stuff that is definitely anti-feminist comes up as well people like Emma Watson.

Sorry all this is a bit random and off topic.

Another related alarming statistic. The Times have reported attacks on the railways against women and girls are up by 50% from 2021 to over 11,000 last year.I believe the women only compartments were done away with and there was some sort of hoo haa as to whether they were needed or not, given the vulnerability of women travelling alone, I'd say they are.

Jess Phillips MP, has been reading out the list of women killed by men, in the HOC, on every International Women's Day for the last 5 years. It is called 'Counting Dead Women'. It takes at least 7.5 minutes to read the list.
On average one woman is killed by a man every 2 days.

The Femicide Census collects the data, and is a unique source of information about the women who have been killed by men in the UK, and the men who have killed them.

Granmarderby10

I am of the opinion that the mass closure of the big mental hospitals was a big mistake.
They kept the majority of those who were a potential danger either to themselves or others under observation and possibly enforced treatment.
I am quite well aware of the tragic injustice of other people detained for decade after decade who should not have been even admitted in the first place and became institutionalised.

However it was a naive notion (driven mostly by the need to “save” money) that all the different types of mental illness could be accommodated in the community.

These are my sentiments too. Closing all mental health facilities - babies and bath water come to mind.

Jess Phillips has been a beacon in her attempts to ensure violence against women (and children) remains acknowledged.

The Guardian article reminded me why I used to be a Guardian reader. The photographs of those 50 women along with the tributes from their loved ones gave a moving and human view of these murdered women.
Three a week this year- it’s been two a week for many years

I agree closing the big mh institutions without significantly improving community mh services was (as predicted) problematic. In reality the vast majority of the murderers here would never have been in those institutions=they’re ‘ordinary ‘

I agree, they are generally just bog standard men. I thought the age range of the women was different to what I expected, there were a significant amount of older women in that list.

I don't think men commit more murders just because they are stronger. When men use (illegal) anabolic steroids to enhance performance / build muscle, one of the problems is rage & violence as a side-effect. Testosterone is an anabolic steroid. One reason why farm animals are castrated is to make them safer to handle.
I agree DV has always happened, but often it was alcohol-induced, now I have the impression more men are more angry, less kind, than in former days. Boys used to be taught it was taboo for a man to hit a woman. Now there are so many things you are not supposed to do, & so many different voices out there with different messages, has this got watered down?

Sparklefizz - I’m so pleased you did it. Got out. I left my first husband having felt lonely and not liked, criticised etc. It’s a long tine since 1980 and it took me a while to accept, not only did we not bring the best out in each other - he was a cold, manipulative individual with a handsome facade that covered his capacity for attempting to control me. He raged about ‘you and your bloody feminist friends’. The older I get, the more I value whatever helped me know I had to leave

I was returning from Brighton on the train and overheard a horrible conversation between a young man and a young woman I can only imagine was unfortunate enough to be his girlfriend, his language was peppered the 'f' word and the 'c' word, apparently his girlfriend had displeased him in some way and he repeatedly said he would give her a slap.
As I listened I wished I could do something but the young man was enraged and I could hardly confront him, others who overheard this looked similarly concerned. Eventually he got off several stops before mine.
The very fact he felt at ease having this conversation in public speaks volumes, he must mix with similarly minded young men or older male role models.
I got off the train feeling ashamed and diminished wishing I could have done something, obvs his young girlfriend would have some kind physical punishment meted out.

Sorry just to clear this up he conversation was on the phone, not face to face.

Being stronger gives you more chance to murder someone. If a 10 stone woman gets angry at a 15 stone man and goes to attack him it won't have much effect but if a 15 stone man gets angry at a 10 stone woman and attacks her he can easily kill her.

This is just a devastating list - the BBC chap’s wife and daughters aren’t on that list I noted.

No PaperMonster and on Monday a mother and her young daughter were stabbed by a man while shopping in Leicester Square (the child was held in a headlock and stabbed 11 times) thankfully she survived and has been treated. Complete stranger to them apparently. Just beyond shocking.

Indigo8

Quokka

And the example set by people like Andrew Tate and his brother is shocking. He is actively promoting violence towards women and has a following among young boy and men.

I believe Andrew Tate runs a course for young men, which they have to pay for. I read somewhere that Andrew Tate has a daughter.

Amazon openly sells a misogynistic book entitled 'Why women deserve less' among other similar titles.

If you enter the term 'feminism' on Youtube a load of questionable stuff that is definitely anti-feminist comes up as well people like Emma Watson.

Sorry all this is a bit random and off topic.

Yes I was reading about him this morning.

Apparently if a woman looks at or talks to another man she should recieve injuries, while if a man has "relations" with another women it is "exercise".

It's so devastatingly terrible. I have only just realised how he's radicalising our young men.

I'm unsure of Tate's status atm as regards extradition. anyone know?

I did google and found he is banned from several SM platforms but guess what....

under Elon Musk, he has been reinstated on X to spread his poison, and I dont know what can be done about him as he won't return to the UK.

We shouldn’t forget that Mr Farage sees Andrew Taite as a good role model for boys and young men