Riot trials; unbelievable!

There have always been children out of control at an early age, but with gangs and county line drugs it seems to be more organized. Intervention at an early stage is needed, but that is highly unlikely to be put into action, restriction on content of internet and films also need to be actioned, no chance of that either.
Pretty depressing prospect of improvement.

mae13

The child was accompanied to court by his uncle.
Er, is it pointless to ask ".........and where is the father?"

Does he have one who actually knows he ever fathered this boy? Or is "uncle" the familiar euphemism here?

Since the 1960's permissive society, many women have never bothered to inform a man that he actually had a child.

And since the beginning of time, many men haven't concerned themselves about whether they had children or not.

In one of the Scottish ballads from the Middle Ages, a young woman rather rudely replies to a concerned man who wonders if he might just be the father of her child,

"Faither ma bairns on whom Ah will, Ah'll faither nane on thee!" there is nowt new under the sun, is there?

Just asking?

Indigo8

Being from a deprived background does necessarily mean you will turn out bad. Neither does going to Eton and Oxbridge mean that you will be an honest, caring citizen.

True

I feel sorry for the child. It reflects very badly on his mum, and the Judge will take a very dim view of it. It doesn't bode well with the boy's future.

From a slightly different perspective, perhaps the mum has had a similarly neglectful childhood.

Sadly another at least 12 boat immigrants have died today in the chanel. If they were deported immediately this would hopefully stop or at least cut down on those making the crossing. And hopefully bankrupt the wicked evil criminal gangs.

Iam64

Care could be made less damaging if it was owned by the local authorities with statutory responsibilities. Increasingly political interference and policies led to private foster agencies and residential care, whose purpose is to maximise profit. Care of the most vulnerable children shouldn’t be for profit.
Over the last ten years the numbers of children in care/looked after had grown enormously. No surprise that happened alongside closure of family centres. Cuts left la’s struggling to meet statutory duties so preventive support work went. So did mental health, substance misuse teams. Housing depts no longer worked in partnership with sw teams trying to prevent homeless families
Tony Blair’s Every Child Matters initiative feels like a golden age in contrast with the issues facing the new government

Sadly there will always be foster children who are hard to place and it is usually only these children who are placed through private fostering agencies. This may be due to particular needs or to the fact that there are siblings involved.

Apples don’t fall far from trees!!

Was this boy going on holiday with his mother or was she leaving him with the uncle or maybe to fend for himself

Who/where is the daddy? Says it all. The kid has no chance!

Where is his dad and the rest of his family?

sazz1

Sadly another at least 12 boat immigrants have died today in the chanel. If they were deported immediately this would hopefully stop or at least cut down on those making the crossing. And hopefully bankrupt the wicked evil criminal gangs.

What does this have to do with a child without adequate parental supervision?

I didn't understand that post. How can drowned people be repatriated? If the poster didn't mean that, how could people be deported before they got here? And how would the gangs be affected - presumably they get paid when the migrants leave their country of origin?

gagsy

Apples don’t fall far from trees!!

Alternatively you could say that this 12 year old "apple" hasn't been cared for or nurtured.

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Indigo8

Being from a deprived background does necessarily mean you will turn out bad. Neither does going to Eton and Oxbridge mean that you will be an honest, caring citizen.

I can't even afford one night in the nearest club to me let alone a week in Ibiza... what's the next level below deprived?

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There are some fathers who contribute little other than the necessity for a babe to be conceived.
Most dads are not in that category.

I’d worry that stopping benefits would affect children and lead to crime. Removing passports and/or driving licences could be an effective punishment for some offences

Eloethan

I feel sorry for the child. It reflects very badly on his mum, and the Judge will take a very dim view of it. It doesn't bode well with the boy's future.

From a slightly different perspective, perhaps the mum has had a similarly neglectful childhood.

I think this is often a big part of the problem; people who have been dragged up themselves or spent their childhood being tossed between biological parent and Foster parents going on to have children (often at a very young age) and repeating the pattern because that's all they know, and on it goes through the generations. Breaking the cycle needs proper government intervention adequately funded.

cc how many is "quite a few" please?
I've just spent 20 minutes trying to find out.

Thank you.

DrWatson

As some have suggested, it's not that difficult to have children, almost any idiot can do it, and unfortunately quite a few succeed.

I'm not sure of an ideal way to correct matters (re 12-y-old and trollop mother) , but in MY country, those guilty of anti-social behaviour (that would include most crimes) would be sanctioned and lose State Benefits for a period of time as decreed to match the offence. In the case of this junior, the sanction would apply to the parents.

Why SHOULD the rest of us support scum?

Ghastly language....."trollop" "scum" ...

Talking of breaking the cycle of neglectful childhood leading to poor parenting choices, I read that one of the latest rioters to be jailed is 33 and a grandfather.

HousePlantQueen

DrWatson

As some have suggested, it's not that difficult to have children, almost any idiot can do it, and unfortunately quite a few succeed.

I'm not sure of an ideal way to correct matters (re 12-y-old and trollop mother) , but in MY country, those guilty of anti-social behaviour (that would include most crimes) would be sanctioned and lose State Benefits for a period of time as decreed to match the offence. In the case of this junior, the sanction would apply to the parents.

Why SHOULD the rest of us support scum?

Ghastly language....."trollop" "scum" ...

Agreed HPQ. Writing off human beings like that.

We've been discussing, "how can it change for this 12 year old", and how will having no food or home help in anyway?

DrWatson do you know this woman and her circumstances?

I haven't seen anything about her yet?
And only speculation re the child's father.

How rude you are!

Poor kid has probably never had any boundaries. How can a kid of that age be charged ? Makes no sense to me. Why not some form of rehabilitation ? Those police and court officials are a bunch of heartless savages.

nanna8, the court can give rehabilitative orders as in community service and training orders.