So where will they go?

eggplant

Can you put in prison for waving a flag? That seems a waste of rescources.

No you can't, the man was arrested for allegedly racially abusing some palestinian marchers. So the Met say.

I think this was the incident
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67115772

Babs03

Tbh if we don’t want overcrowded prisons we need to do something about mental health care in thus country. A large percentage of men and women in our prisons have mental health problems/addictions which lead to them committing crimes. Is a direct correlation imho between swingeing cuts in funding for mental health care/care in the community/adult social care and overcrowded prisons.
And if prisoners with mental health probs are being released due to overcrowding they will just end up on our streets sleeping rough or overcrowding our hospitals.
Time for someone to join the dots here.

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We also need more community police and probation officers!

ferry23

Well if this new government's current trend is to continue, they'll probably house released offenders in the spare room of a pensioner.

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It was mentioned on TRIP’s that children that were excluded from school were far more likely to end up in prison. So the government have got to get back to grass roots solutions to reduce the number of people that end up turning to crime. I’m also worried about that recent tv series that showed prisoners being released from prison and given a tent to live in and was shocked to realise that that does actually happen.

My understanding is that they are not going to release those serving life, so these prisoners will be released in the not too distant future anyway. What difference does it make if they are released tomorrow or (say) in 18 months time when their sentence ends? Surely the housing crisis will still be here and they will possibly still end up sleeping on the streets. Sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

I think one of their sentences was nine years, though.

I didn't imagine it was those who committed violent crime who'd be released.

MayBee70

It was mentioned on TRIP’s that children that were excluded from school were far more likely to end up in prison. So the government have got to get back to grass roots solutions to reduce the number of people that end up turning to crime. I’m also worried about that recent tv series that showed prisoners being released from prison and given a tent to live in and was shocked to realise that that does actually happen.

I will second that serious effort has got to be put into problem children AND problem parents, human rights? you loose them if you don’t behave responsibly

No responsibility, no rights.

Let's hope it's not a bit of "Problem....Reaction....Solution" going on here. Boy have I ever become cynical in recent years I know....

Problem = all these prisoners let out early
Reaction = "Oh heck - and some of them have re-offended pretty quickly"
Solution = I do seem to remember there have been a noticeable number of prison camp type places built in this country, ie as well as somewhere like Canada, and with no obvious use for them. So - "real" prisoners back into prison and anyone else they wish to imprison = hmmmmm....

But maybe I'm just feeling ultra-cynical....

It's glaringly obvious to me that excluding a child from school, when they didn't want to be there anyway, is an ineffective punishment.

If a teen is being sent home, and the parents are at work, it's a recipe for trouble.

The riots occurred weeks after the election. The prisons were already overcrowded. Prison staff inexperienced as more expensive long serving officers went with austerity. The previous government were well aware of the timber box brewing but did no more than talk about building more prisons. No plans to improve the Probation Service it destroyed. No plans for extending community punishments

The rioters imprisoned committed some very serious offences. In all the circumstances, it’s likely there will be some problems. The government will be well aware of this.

Exclusion is no solution for the child excluded- & there should be something constructive for them - I hope Heads are judged by the proportion of students excluded as well as safeguarding procedures & SATs results - but given the resources with underfed children, ESL children, children with special needs who're awaiting assessment, reception children in nappies etc, I guess the prime aim of exclusion is to allow the rest of the children in that class to learn in a safe environment. So many problems, it's not the childrens' fault but what else can schools do?

Starmer will be well aware, probably moreso than anyone, so let's hope he has more up his sleeve.

I have faith he will. Got my fingers crossed that he has, anyway.

The resources needed to really deal with this are immense. More prison places, actual work done in prison to prevent recidivism, proper community service to avoid handing out prison sentences, any sort of treatment beyond handing out meds, hostels for those leaving without a family, and a probation service that's fit for purpose.

UPDATE - America and Poland are also in process of releasing prisoners early. Hmmm.....

MayBee70

It was mentioned on TRIP’s that children that were excluded from school were far more likely to end up in prison. So the government have got to get back to grass roots solutions to reduce the number of people that end up turning to crime. I’m also worried about that recent tv series that showed prisoners being released from prison and given a tent to live in and was shocked to realise that that does actually happen.

Care leavers are also far more likely to end up in prison.

Wyllow3

The resources needed to really deal with this are immense. More prison places, actual work done in prison to prevent recidivism, proper community service to avoid handing out prison sentences, any sort of treatment beyond handing out meds, hostels for those leaving without a family, and a probation service that's fit for purpose.

Yes and more work in the community for reparation rather than custodial sentences. Too many people in prison for non violent crimes, ie theft, shoplifting, drug offences, fraud.

valdavi

Exclusion is no solution for the child excluded- & there should be something constructive for them - I hope Heads are judged by the proportion of students excluded as well as safeguarding procedures & SATs results - but given the resources with underfed children, ESL children, children with special needs who're awaiting assessment, reception children in nappies etc, I guess the prime aim of exclusion is to allow the rest of the children in that class to learn in a safe environment. So many problems, it's not the childrens' fault but what else can schools do?

Sometimes schools have to make really difficult decisions and I agree exclusions are not the answer, but often is the only safe solution schools have.

Drug related crimes are actually often very violent. Including killings, torture, and kidnappings. It doesn't take long for a user to end up as a dealer.

valdivi, exclusions data is part of any judgment on a school performance. You are, of course, right in saying that schools are in the front line for children presenting with challenging behaviour, whatever the source. And yes, exclusion does little for the individual, but what else can a Headteacher do when presented with chair- throwers, teacher punchers etc; I was in a primary school when I was punched by a child, fell down and lost consciousness.
The child was with me in my room because he couldn't cope with the classroom.

Perhaps if they sent the foreign criminals back to their own country we would have space , or does that affect their human rights lol

How many do we have here?
I've really no idea.
I'm off to Google.

10,422, according to Google, which is 12 percent of all prisoners.

We were running out of prison places, it was being kicked down the road. Preparation should have started years ago way before the election, mental health services have been run down for years and it's not fair to blame the current government for long term failure to plan a better solution.

Is Denmark alone in making sure that convicts' rent is paid, while they are in prison, and that they do have a home to go to on release?

Surely not?

If the UK does not ensure this, then changing laws about social security would be a good place to start.

You could also agitate for the homeless unemployed being hired by building firms to do unskilled labour building new homes, and that the number of hours they work are not only paid at union rates, but count towards getting them a flat in the new development when it is finished.