So where will they go?

GrannyGravy13

Allira if his money has been earned legally and appropriate taxes paid then he can spend where and on what he likes.

The majority of things purchased are VAT liable, alcohol is highly taxed etc. etc.

I admire the entrepreneurs and eccentrics of this world.

Ok, he is a philanthropist too!

givingpledge.org/pledger?pledgerId=431

Doodledog

Ok. People can read your posts and read my response to them, and judge for themselves.

I won't be needled.

Likewise with your posts.

Allira if his money has been earned legally and appropriate taxes paid then he can spend where and on what he likes.

The majority of things purchased are VAT liable, alcohol is highly taxed etc. etc.

I admire the entrepreneurs and eccentrics of this world.

GrannyGravy13

I posted this on a different thread

That billionaire who went into space reckons he found the black hole.

He could fill it if he wanted to but he he's going to spend, spend, spend.

Doodledog

Mollygo

eggplant
Many on here clearly hate Labour and seek out any opportunity to have a go. I think he handled the riots well.
Another sweeping statement.
If you’ve been on GN long enough you should know that vague many on here is unacceptable. I’ve been told that often enough.
How do you equate not believing that some things Labour are doing, e.g. removing WFA when KS told Sunak it was wrong to do so, with hating Labour.

That’s a ^false equivalence^

And you aren't sneering? Pull the other one, Molly. There is no need for the jibes - just say what you think without being so unpleasant? We can all see what you're doing, and it does you no favours.

It didn't seem like sneering nor jibes nor at all unpleasant.

Making vague accusations such as some or many posters, some people I thought was considered unacceptable.

I posted this on a different thread

Ok. People can read your posts and read my response to them, and judge for themselves.

I won't be needled.

eggplant

Oh dear Molly. How odd, I mean many people of this thread appear to be highly critical of Labour.

I think " politics apart", all the name calling and so on, KS handled the aftermath of the riots well. Just my thoughts. I know of people from all sides who breathed a little easier when some of those fools were banged up.

Yes, there are "some" very critical of Labour but then, equally, there are "some" critical of the Tories on several threads.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it, I hope.

I was hopeful but if I hear 'Black Hole' or its equivalent once more I think I'll 🤧

They knew this and should have been prepared.

Sighs
So basically Doodledog you’re saying that any comments I make are sneers and any that you make aren’t. It’s only your opinion, but . . .

That using the We all is ok when you do it, but according to earlier posts, no poster should not take it upon themselves to speak for others.
OK
Have it as you like, if it keeps you happy.

The fact is still true, that saying unspecified people hate Labour for disliking some of their actions is a sweeping statement which is not verifiable and untrue.
If I’d accused all posters (including myself) of hating the last government because of their actions, it would have been equally wrong and inaccurate.

Wyllow3

Using that argument, why didn't the previous government produce "prison nightingales"? They felt they had to cut numbers too.
I don't think its a viable comparison - security levels, recruiting prison officers, and facilities so different.

Because nothing trumps a pandemic.

Syracute

You get very little help within prison to prepare for life outside.
There should be better bridges of support to get people back into society. Warehousing people is not working.

That has been exemplified by some of the comments from those early released prisoners. The difficulty is finding/creating enough people qualified to provide that support.
The challenges nowadays include the same issues as before, but in addition the easy access to drugs for some prisoners and connections with outside to continue the crimes that got them incarcerated.

Boz

I think the 'blue corner' is peeved because it would have liked to implement such cuts but did not dare!

They’ve probably worn the knives out after using them for 14 years.

Exactly Syracute. The Certifucate in Social Work qualification was achieved over two demanding years with Hugh academic standards and several practical placements. Social Work and Probation students studied together. Practical placements covered all disciplines but with specialisms. One of the specialisms for probation students was Throughcare, obviously focussed on working with a named prisoner throughout their sentence.

You get very little help within prison to prepare for life outside.
There should be better bridges of support to get people back into society. Warehousing people is not working.

We need new prisons as anyone who has worked in our Victorian prisons like hmp Manchester/Strangeways will confirm.
The new prisons need space and structure to offer education and other much needed input to provide structure and distractions so hopefully reducing drug misuse.

We need the Probation Service rebuilt with its central ‘advise, assist and befriend’ re-unstated.

We need a less punitive, more rehabilitate approach throughout our custodial and non custodial sentenced. The `scandi countries, the Netherlands implemented this approach. They have much lower levels of re-offending.

It’s not ‘soft’. It makes big demands of offenders. Alongside these changes, we need to invest in Early Years. As with more supportive, less punative treatment of offenders, no surprise that vulnerable parents respond better to support rather than criticism. They’re still being challenged about parenting style but with an absence of adding to feelings of hopelessness

Live in a labour town
There are so many houses going up in the town not for the working class
much too good for that and it's taking no time at all Being a Labour run town though they closed good schools years ago and apart from no school places no. new Doctors in the area and no one can get an
appointment now before hundreds more move in

Wyllow3 £ 4 billion conservative spending on new prisons- 5 or 6. They don’t just pop up in tents ….ready probably by 2030.

.just been looking at post above MPs get paid a ridiculous amount like train drivers do now It's not comparing like with like they have two homes our MP labour one never even turns up in parliament couldn't they get hot water bottles etc for
second homes or turn the heating down like people who aren't MPs have to do

Using that argument, why didn't the previous government produce "prison nightingales"? They felt they had to cut numbers too.
I don't think its a viable comparison - security levels, recruiting prison officers, and facilities so different.

Isn't it just avoiding the problem Think it was on GB news yesterdày someone pointed out how quickly the nightingale hospitals were produced by the conservatives couldn't they start creating more prison places All this talk from labour about debt conservatives left but they keep finding money for what they choose to use it for Couldn't they start a prison workers apprenticeship
as well

Mollygo

Excuse me?
Classing what you say yourself as not sneering and what someone else says is sneering?

Who exactly are the We can all see and what are you all accusing me of doing?

I’ve often read on GN that vague references- e.g. some posters those posters people on here , many on here are unacceptable and you should name them, sometimes that has been directed at me. I’ve also read that giving our viewpoint as a We statement, claiming to speak for others is frowned on.
I’ve also seen accusations of sweeping statement, when referring to an unverifiable number of posters.
Now I’ve learnt it’s only wrong if I do it.

And the question still remains
*How do you equate not believing that some things Labour are doing, e.g. removing WFA when KS told Sunak it was wrong to do so, with hating Labour?*

Classing what you say yourself as not sneering and what someone else says is sneering?
Can you explain what this means, please? Actually, don't. I am not prepared to get into a point-scoring game after every post. I will answer the questions above, but can't be bothered to do this every time.

Who exactly are the We can all see and what are you all accusing me of doing?
Everyone reading can see what is happening, obviously. I am saying that you are making jibes. I said that in my post, so I don't know why it needs to be clarified.

*I’ve often read on GN that vague references- e.g. some posters those posters people on here , many on here are unacceptable and you should name them, sometimes that has been directed at me. I’ve also read that giving our viewpoint as a We statement, claiming to speak for others is frowned on.
I’ve also seen accusations of sweeping statement, when referring to an unverifiable number of posters.*
Now I’ve learnt it’s only wrong if I do it.
As you've said yourself before, the 'some posters' thing is passive aggressive when it is directed at specific but unnamed people. You know what it means. And you know that I know that you know what it means.

And the question still remains
How do you equate not believing that some things Labour are doing, e.g. removing WFA when KS told Sunak it was wrong to do so, with hating Labour?
I don't. I didn't say that. I said (possibly on another thread that you've dragged into this one) that equating someone claiming work expenses with a winter fuel payment is a false equivalence. That is what you were jibing at. If you really need me to spell out what that means, here you are:

Comparing like with like is an equivalence - showing that one thing is equivalent to another. A example of a false equivalence is when someone (usually deliberately) chooses something for purposes of comparison that will make someone else look bad and suggests that it is equivalent to something it's not.

Politicians claiming employee allowances because they have to run two houses miles apart in order to do their jobs is not the same thing as giving a winter fuel payment to anyone over pensionable age.

Similarly, saying that it would be wrong to remove the WFA when the belief was that the economy was relatively thriving does not mean that removing it when it is known that the economy is in dire straights is also wrong.

I am slowly coming round to asking myself (always the best bet), how will Reform benefit from the latest mistakes/badly planned policies? My DH has pointed out to me that Reform has not been allowed onto any of the parliamentary committees. In addition, Farage will be prevented from having a second job on GB News as a presenter on his own show if Labour has its way. Seems Labour is running scared?

Boz

I think the 'blue corner' is peeved because it would have liked to implement such cuts but did not dare!

Fortunately I was never in the blue corner.
I think you’re right about them not implementing the early release, and I’m absolutely certain that there would have been outcry from the opposition if they had done so, just as there is now.

I think the 'blue corner' is peeved because it would have liked to implement such cuts but did not dare!

Excuse me?
Classing what you say yourself as not sneering and what someone else says is sneering?

Who exactly are the We can all see and what are you all accusing me of doing?

I’ve often read on GN that vague references- e.g. some posters those posters people on here , many on here are unacceptable and you should name them, sometimes that has been directed at me. I’ve also read that giving our viewpoint as a We statement, claiming to speak for others is frowned on.
I’ve also seen accusations of sweeping statement, when referring to an unverifiable number of posters.
Now I’ve learnt it’s only wrong if I do it.

And the question still remains
How do you equate not believing that some things Labour are doing, e.g. removing WFA when KS told Sunak it was wrong to do so, with hating Labour?