So where will they go?

would be more space if we didn't house foreign prisoners, why can't they be sent back to their own countries, serve their time their at that countries expense, not ours. I know they may have committed the crime here but why should we have to foot the bill for them in prison and then when they are releasesed.

Forgot to add:
The last government had planned the early release scheme before the election, but this also isn't alluded to.

This government has lost the plot

What struck me was the degree of the crisis uncovered, and that not only the previous government had kept it well under wraps but so had the newspapers that are all too eager usually to present us with shock horror headlines kept silent. Now its all over the headlines.

Is Denmark alone in making sure that convicts' rent is paid, while they are in prison, and that they do have a home to go to on release?

Surely not?

If the UK does not ensure this, then changing laws about social security would be a good place to start.

You could also agitate for the homeless unemployed being hired by building firms to do unskilled labour building new homes, and that the number of hours they work are not only paid at union rates, but count towards getting them a flat in the new development when it is finished.

We were running out of prison places, it was being kicked down the road. Preparation should have started years ago way before the election, mental health services have been run down for years and it's not fair to blame the current government for long term failure to plan a better solution.

10,422, according to Google, which is 12 percent of all prisoners.

How many do we have here?
I've really no idea.
I'm off to Google.

Perhaps if they sent the foreign criminals back to their own country we would have space , or does that affect their human rights lol

valdivi, exclusions data is part of any judgment on a school performance. You are, of course, right in saying that schools are in the front line for children presenting with challenging behaviour, whatever the source. And yes, exclusion does little for the individual, but what else can a Headteacher do when presented with chair- throwers, teacher punchers etc; I was in a primary school when I was punched by a child, fell down and lost consciousness.
The child was with me in my room because he couldn't cope with the classroom.

Drug related crimes are actually often very violent. Including killings, torture, and kidnappings. It doesn't take long for a user to end up as a dealer.

valdavi

Exclusion is no solution for the child excluded- & there should be something constructive for them - I hope Heads are judged by the proportion of students excluded as well as safeguarding procedures & SATs results - but given the resources with underfed children, ESL children, children with special needs who're awaiting assessment, reception children in nappies etc, I guess the prime aim of exclusion is to allow the rest of the children in that class to learn in a safe environment. So many problems, it's not the childrens' fault but what else can schools do?

Sometimes schools have to make really difficult decisions and I agree exclusions are not the answer, but often is the only safe solution schools have.

Wyllow3

The resources needed to really deal with this are immense. More prison places, actual work done in prison to prevent recidivism, proper community service to avoid handing out prison sentences, any sort of treatment beyond handing out meds, hostels for those leaving without a family, and a probation service that's fit for purpose.

Yes and more work in the community for reparation rather than custodial sentences. Too many people in prison for non violent crimes, ie theft, shoplifting, drug offences, fraud.

MayBee70

It was mentioned on TRIP’s that children that were excluded from school were far more likely to end up in prison. So the government have got to get back to grass roots solutions to reduce the number of people that end up turning to crime. I’m also worried about that recent tv series that showed prisoners being released from prison and given a tent to live in and was shocked to realise that that does actually happen.

Care leavers are also far more likely to end up in prison.

UPDATE - America and Poland are also in process of releasing prisoners early. Hmmm.....

The resources needed to really deal with this are immense. More prison places, actual work done in prison to prevent recidivism, proper community service to avoid handing out prison sentences, any sort of treatment beyond handing out meds, hostels for those leaving without a family, and a probation service that's fit for purpose.

Starmer will be well aware, probably moreso than anyone, so let's hope he has more up his sleeve.

I have faith he will. Got my fingers crossed that he has, anyway.

Exclusion is no solution for the child excluded- & there should be something constructive for them - I hope Heads are judged by the proportion of students excluded as well as safeguarding procedures & SATs results - but given the resources with underfed children, ESL children, children with special needs who're awaiting assessment, reception children in nappies etc, I guess the prime aim of exclusion is to allow the rest of the children in that class to learn in a safe environment. So many problems, it's not the childrens' fault but what else can schools do?

The riots occurred weeks after the election. The prisons were already overcrowded. Prison staff inexperienced as more expensive long serving officers went with austerity. The previous government were well aware of the timber box brewing but did no more than talk about building more prisons. No plans to improve the Probation Service it destroyed. No plans for extending community punishments

The rioters imprisoned committed some very serious offences. In all the circumstances, it’s likely there will be some problems. The government will be well aware of this.

It's glaringly obvious to me that excluding a child from school, when they didn't want to be there anyway, is an ineffective punishment.

If a teen is being sent home, and the parents are at work, it's a recipe for trouble.

Let's hope it's not a bit of "Problem....Reaction....Solution" going on here. Boy have I ever become cynical in recent years I know....

Problem = all these prisoners let out early
Reaction = "Oh heck - and some of them have re-offended pretty quickly"
Solution = I do seem to remember there have been a noticeable number of prison camp type places built in this country, ie as well as somewhere like Canada, and with no obvious use for them. So - "real" prisoners back into prison and anyone else they wish to imprison = hmmmmm....

But maybe I'm just feeling ultra-cynical....

MayBee70

It was mentioned on TRIP’s that children that were excluded from school were far more likely to end up in prison. So the government have got to get back to grass roots solutions to reduce the number of people that end up turning to crime. I’m also worried about that recent tv series that showed prisoners being released from prison and given a tent to live in and was shocked to realise that that does actually happen.

I will second that serious effort has got to be put into problem children AND problem parents, human rights? you loose them if you don’t behave responsibly

No responsibility, no rights.

I think one of their sentences was nine years, though.

I didn't imagine it was those who committed violent crime who'd be released.

My understanding is that they are not going to release those serving life, so these prisoners will be released in the not too distant future anyway. What difference does it make if they are released tomorrow or (say) in 18 months time when their sentence ends? Surely the housing crisis will still be here and they will possibly still end up sleeping on the streets. Sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

It was mentioned on TRIP’s that children that were excluded from school were far more likely to end up in prison. So the government have got to get back to grass roots solutions to reduce the number of people that end up turning to crime. I’m also worried about that recent tv series that showed prisoners being released from prison and given a tent to live in and was shocked to realise that that does actually happen.