We already have a housing shortage, people sleeping on the streets, people living in substandard accommodation and the eternal issue of housing asylum seekers.
Now they are going to release large numbers of prisoners early to ease the shortage of prison spaces.
On the news just now, prisoners were saying that sometimes, the only option to living on the street is to get back inside and probation officers were expressing the same concern, in addition to the fact that some landlords won’t let to ex prisoners.
It looks like an insurmountable problem.
What do GNs suggest.
GrannyGravy13
I posted this on a different thread
That billionaire who went into space reckons he found the black hole.
He could fill it if he wanted to but he he's going to spend, spend, spend.
Allira if his money has been earned legally and appropriate taxes paid then he can spend where and on what he likes.
The majority of things purchased are VAT liable, alcohol is highly taxed etc. etc.
I admire the entrepreneurs and eccentrics of this world.
Doodledog
Ok. People can read your posts and read my response to them, and judge for themselves.
I won't be needled.
Likewise with your posts.
GrannyGravy13
Allira if his money has been earned legally and appropriate taxes paid then he can spend where and on what he likes.
The majority of things purchased are VAT liable, alcohol is highly taxed etc. etc.
I admire the entrepreneurs and eccentrics of this world.
Ok, he is a philanthropist too!
givingpledge.org/pledger?pledgerId=431
Sounds like one of the good guys 👍🏻
Wyllow3
Using that argument, why didn't the previous government produce "prison nightingales"? They felt they had to cut numbers too.
I don't think its a viable comparison - security levels, recruiting prison officers, and facilities so different.
Also, deliberately building prisons, rather than looking for ways to cut the numbers of prisoners (not by releasing them but by cutting crime and rehabilitation of offenders) seems rather defeatist. Also if there are not enough staff to keep the ones we have safe, throwing up temporary ones isn’t going to work.
I don’t know - the ideal solution is to work towards a society which gives everyone a stake and there is less of a ‘need’ for crime; but that is such an obvious thing that it would have been done long before now if it could have been.
Tonight we hear that 37 prisoners have been released early by mistake.
Most have been returned to custody but 5 are missing. Nobody knows where they are. We are not told who they are, what their crimes were.
Serco, the company responsible for tagging them, claim to have a backlog, but Starmer has said he will issue fines if they do not shape up.
Doodledog
Wyllow3
Using that argument, why didn't the previous government produce "prison nightingales"? They felt they had to cut numbers too.
I don't think its a viable comparison - security levels, recruiting prison officers, and facilities so different.Also, deliberately building prisons, rather than looking for ways to cut the numbers of prisoners (not by releasing them but by cutting crime and rehabilitation of offenders) seems rather defeatist. Also if there are not enough staff to keep the ones we have safe, throwing up temporary ones isn’t going to work.
I don’t know - the ideal solution is to work towards a society which gives everyone a stake and there is less of a ‘need’ for crime; but that is such an obvious thing that it would have been done long before now if it could have been.
There will always be some criminals who should receive custodial sentences. The prison estate in the UK is in a poor condition. I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy for the NIMBYs in "nice" areas who don't want a prison on their doorstep.
Nor do I. What has that to do with what you have quoted me as saying? Of course there will always be some criminals who have to be in jail. Working towards reducing the number of people who resort to crime won’t alter that, and I didn’t suggest it might.
A lot of the early release prisoners committed offences straight away so they could get back in.They had nowhere to go and nobody to help them, a really sad state of affairs.
Oreo
A lot of the early release prisoners committed offences straight away so they could get back in.They had nowhere to go and nobody to help them, a really sad state of affairs.
That is very sad. It ties in with my earlier post, the point of which was that we need to create a society which gives people enough of a stake not to want to go to prison. I'd much rather have money spent on rehabilitation and bringing people back into society than on punishment. Yes, punishment has a role in prisons - of course it does - but as well as that the system should work to reduce the crime rate, otherwise we just go round in circles.
All the overcrowded prisons tell us is that something is clearly not working.
Look into the reasons why, and there is a myriad of reasons, however much you think bad people need punishment.
Absolutely.
"Someone" I know...
Her son is in constant trouble; begging, despite getting disability benefit, which he gambles, and spends on drugs and drink.
He has been in prison multiple times, and is now mid 50s.
The second you speak to him, it is clear that he has a learning disability - "Oh he's always been thick, and was slow from when he was born" as his mum says.
His addictions to gambling, drink and weed need sorting out, and he needs to have injections to keep his mental health stable, which he doesn't.
It's quite normal for him to think he is Jesus, when times are bad for him.
He broke both legs by jumping out of a second floor window to prove it, and hecis very vulnerable and often taken advantage of.
Punishing him just isn't enough; he needs support with everything, and support to even accept support.
Oreo
A lot of the early release prisoners committed offences straight away so they could get back in.They had nowhere to go and nobody to help them, a really sad state of affairs.
I agree.
I think we just need to re-look at our entire justice system (goodness knows how).
I think the whole thing is a mess and broken!
MissAdventure
"Someone" I know...
Her son is in constant trouble; begging, despite getting disability benefit, which he gambles, and spends on drugs and drink.
He has been in prison multiple times, and is now mid 50s.
The second you speak to him, it is clear that he has a learning disability - "Oh he's always been thick, and was slow from when he was born" as his mum says.
His addictions to gambling, drink and weed need sorting out, and he needs to have injections to keep his mental health stable, which he doesn't.
It's quite normal for him to think he is Jesus, when times are bad for him.
He broke both legs by jumping out of a second floor window to prove it, and hecis very vulnerable and often taken advantage of.
Punishing him just isn't enough; he needs support with everything, and support to even accept support.
A very sad story and sadly not too common.
IMO, we need better and more residential rehab and much much better, monitored, assisted independent living.
Care in the community has never ever worked well!
That is just the tip of the iceberg, as far as he is concerned, but he isn't a violent person.
He is actually quite a nice guy, but all I can see is him sinking, losing the support from his mum, gradually, and becoming someone to avoid.
He'll be lost, at some point, soon I'd imagine.
37 prisoners with restraining orders were released in error from prisons. I bet the people being supposedly protected from them are calm and collected. As Labour seem determined to continue with this, is it too much to ask that errors are kept to zero. By the way a family member works on prison expansion for the Ministry for Justice and all proposals put forward to the Government to deal with prison space are held up or turned down by ..... the Government.
This is one of the reasons Mr Sunak called an early election, ran a mile rather than dealing with it. The prison service is in an absolute mess. At least now the best qualified person is advising on this, James Timpson and he understands it more than others.
Yes, exactly.
It's not too much to ask that the nhs make no errors, they schools and dwps make none too, but as long as there are humans, there will be errors, and Starmer isn't to blame for them
There used to be a system called Remploy which helped people with learning disabilities work. I think it was very successful. What happened to it? Britain has become a crueler, less charitable place to live in and the big picture seems to be missing.
I think it may have been abandoned, but can vaguely remember that it had an excellent reputation.
Sarnia
37 prisoners with restraining orders were released in error from prisons. I bet the people being supposedly protected from them are calm and collected. As Labour seem determined to continue with this, is it too much to ask that errors are kept to zero. By the way a family member works on prison expansion for the Ministry for Justice and all proposals put forward to the Government to deal with prison space are held up or turned down by ..... the Government.
According to the BBC earlier this morning, 32 of them are back in prison.
The explanation for their release
A Ministry of Justice source said 37 people were released in error on 10 September, because their offences for breaching restraining orders were wrongly logged under repealed legislation.
This meant these cases were not flagged for exemptions, which were designed to prevent those guilty of certain types of crime from being released
Not attributable to Labour and no doubt the error would have happened had they been released after serving the 'normal' 50% of their sentence...
MissAdventure
I think it may have been abandoned, but can vaguely remember that it had an excellent reputation.
Good Lord. The tories knocked funding for Remploy on the head and sold it to the private sector in2014.
Whether the 'recruitment service' now offered is adequate recompense for the actual jobs lost by closure of the factories is anybody's guess..
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29843567
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remploy
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