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Charlie Mullins

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Dinahmo Fri 13-Sept-24 16:57:55

For anyone who has missed the news recently Charlie Mullins has announced that he is leaving the UK. Here's a link to Marina Hyde in the Guardian. Other sources are available.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/13/charlie-mullins-farewell-tour-britain-taxes-multimillionaires

LizzieDrip Sat 18-Jan-25 09:36:27

Fine!

There is no more patriotic act than paying your taxes. The millionaires who are leaving are not patriotic - not matter how much they shout about being so.

Goodbye👋

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/21/britain-millionaires-leave-tax-havens-uk

LizzieDrip Sat 18-Jan-25 09:41:42

patrioticmillionaires.uk/

These are the patriotic people👏👏👏

foxie48 Sat 18-Jan-25 11:32:18

Perhaps Mr Farage will leave now he's Britain's highest earning MP. He'd have to give up his seat, of course, but would anyone notice?

ronib Sat 18-Jan-25 11:40:39

Yes the Labour Party will notice if Farage leaves the country foxie48

Dickens Sat 18-Jan-25 11:49:25

BigBopper

The way things are going many multi millionaires will leave the country due to high taxes.

I also read that if Labour keeps going on the way they are doing, there could be a vote of no confidence in Starmer and he could be called before the King who will ask him to stand down, the same as what happened to Truss. They say that the publics perception of him has never ever been as low as it is now because he has made it clear he hates pensioners.

Get him out, get him out.

They say that the publics perception of him has never ever been as low as it is now because he has made it clear he hates pensioners.

He really doesn't hate pensioners. That is pure over-emotional hype.

Honestly, what chance of a serious debate with this kind of claptrap.

Iam64 Sat 18-Jan-25 12:01:44

Dickens- the hope for a serious debate about our politics is long gone. Nonsense posts like the one from Big Bopper aren’t worth responding to

LizzieDrip Sat 18-Jan-25 12:41:37

Agreed Iam64 👏👏👏

Oreo Sat 18-Jan-25 12:59:14

LizzieDrip

Fine!

There is no more patriotic act than paying your taxes. The millionaires who are leaving are not patriotic - not matter how much they shout about being so.

Goodbye👋

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/21/britain-millionaires-leave-tax-havens-uk

Why are you saying goodbye?

Oreo Sat 18-Jan-25 13:04:22

Lisaangel10

maddyone

Actually Charlie Mullins is a very interesting person. He started out from nothing and built an enormously successful plumbing business, employing thousands of people, and made himself extremely rich in the process.
Good for him.

He is an interesting character. Starting from nothing with no qualifications to becoming a multi millionaire takes some doing.

Think of all the plumbers he has trained up, then employed, all the tax he has paid, all the suppliers and small businesses he has supported and all the customers he has done a good job for.

I don’t blame him a bit for choosing to move abroad after 71 years.

He prob thinks after a long active life it’s time to retire to the sun.I don’t blame him either.

JenniferEccles Sat 18-Jan-25 13:05:16

I remember reading that the top 1% of earners in this country are responsible for about one third of tax paid.

They therefore contribute hugely to the country yet still this idiotic government is driving thousands away. Madness yet so typical of socialism which always punishes the wealth creators until they have had enough.

Who can blame them? Not me.

theworriedwell Sat 18-Jan-25 13:14:39

I thought he had announced he's moving back to support Farage and stand as an MP?

LizzieDrip Sat 18-Jan-25 13:43:33

Sorry Oreo, I meant goodbye to the Mr Mullins (and other millionaires leaving) … not goodbye to the thread. Didn’t make myself clear🙈

Thanks for asking anywaysmile

Maremia Sat 18-Jan-25 14:25:49

Dinahmo, hope it all worked out for your niece.

Dickens Sat 18-Jan-25 14:47:18

HNWI (High Net Worth Individuals) were leaving the UK in 2023 at double the rate of the previous year.

Brexit, uncertainty over non-dom status and deterioration of the country’s National Health Service since 2010 were among the top reasons given by researchers for the exodus of rich citizens. (source: Spear's Weekly)

The exodus started before Starmer took office - and it isn't / wasn't all about tax.

It should be noted that despite their importance, taxes are by no means the only driver of the ongoing exodus of millionaires out of the UK. Other economic and finance-related reasons include:

... The impact of Brexit on financial markets and general business opportunities in the UK.

... Failure to recover from the 2008 financial crisis. Britain has been one of the worst-performing economies in the world since the crisis, when measured in USD terms, with total private wealth held in the country down by -10% since its 2007 pre-crisis peak (in USD). The UK’s GDP per capita (in USD) is also down -3% over this period, which compares very poorly to the US (+70%) and the world (+52%) – see link. It is worth noting that back in 2007, the UK had a higher GDP per capita than the US but now it ranks well behind.

(source: Henley & Partners = global leader in residence and citizenship by investment)

Elegran Sat 18-Jan-25 15:14:45

Don't believe all the rumours you hear, BigBopper and don't pay any attention to stirrers in other countries like Elon Musk who think they know best about what should happen in the UK. (Their main reason for coming out with their uninformed pronouncements is to give their own fellow countrymen the impression that they are experts in international affairs)

Allira Sat 18-Jan-25 15:25:25

LizzieDrip

Fine!

There is no more patriotic act than paying your taxes. The millionaires who are leaving are not patriotic - not matter how much they shout about being so.

Goodbye👋

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/21/britain-millionaires-leave-tax-havens-uk

Sorry, Horace would disagree with you:

“Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori”

Oreo Sat 18-Jan-25 17:38:12

LizzieDrip

Sorry Oreo, I meant goodbye to the Mr Mullins (and other millionaires leaving) … not goodbye to the thread. Didn’t make myself clear🙈

Thanks for asking anywaysmile

Ah, all is clear 😃

Elegran Sat 18-Jan-25 18:11:00

"Sweet and fitting to die for your homeland", Allira, but if those non-combatants still at home don't pay their taxes, the fighters will be unpaid and without supplies and weapons.

Grantanow Sat 18-Jan-25 18:22:20

Mullins: one swallow doesn't make a summer.

LizzieDrip Sat 18-Jan-25 18:41:33

Good point Elegransmile

ronib Sun 19-Jan-25 07:31:39

Talking of swallows- in late September swallows leave the Uk to fly a distance of 8,000 miles to Africa eating bugs and insects en route. They fly 200 miles a day. Migration is in pursuit of food supply returning here for our bugs and insects in the warm months. Economists should take note….

Shinamae Sun 19-Jan-25 10:53:26

Grantanow

Mullins: one swallow doesn't make a summer.

At least he’s showing himself to be a true patriot, unlike the other “rats”who are leaving the sinking ship…

Wyllow3 Sun 19-Jan-25 11:48:26

JenniferEccles

I remember reading that the top 1% of earners in this country are responsible for about one third of tax paid.

They therefore contribute hugely to the country yet still this idiotic government is driving thousands away. Madness yet so typical of socialism which always punishes the wealth creators until they have had enough.

Who can blame them? Not me.

Those figures predate the current government for quite some time. So I don't know what you are blaming socialism when it actually has been the case under previous conservative governments .
The figure was 29% under Sunak's government, and has been pointed out above, the rich leaving is not new.

(Institute for Fiscal Studies).

MaizieD Sun 19-Jan-25 12:11:50

Posters are very naive to believe that all the millionaires who are reported as fleeing the UK are in any way 'wealth creators'. They are more likely to be wealth accumulators and hoarders.

I came across an interesting blog recently, by a doctor in the field of neuroscience. It's about oligarchs, but I suspect that anyone who pursues the accumulation of excessive wealth is likely to display similar traits.

Some quotes.

It’s more than 10 years since I started my research in neuroscience. I remember the sense of astonishment. Soon, I got used to how remarkable the brain was and the ingenuity of neuroscientists (and others) trying to learn more about it. But when I delved into the neuroscience of greed, I was once again greeted by that same sense of astonishment I had ten years previously.

I was astonished at the sheer volume of research undertaken on both Dispositional Greed (a consuming drive to constantly want more money and/or power) and Greed Personality Trait. So convincing is the evidence of neuropathology that the question as to whether Dispositional Greed is a mental disorder or not has now been replaced by the question of what type of disorder it is - addiction, psychopathy, or part of the ‘dark triad’?

I was also astonished at just how substantial the brain changes are in those who are consumed by their greed. I was surprised to find that so disruptive is greed to the normal, healthy development of the brain that cortical regulation (prefrontal cortex) on the emotional system (limbic) was significantly lacking. Those with Dispositional Greed are essentially underdeveloped.

... the Greedy Brian has significant deficits in higher cognitive brain functions such as "decision making, reasoning, personality expression, maintaining social appropriateness, and other complex cognitive behaviours” (some of the known functions of the prefrontal cortex).

While difficult to quantify (neuroscience isn’t quite advanced enough yet), there is very likely to be an impaired ability to appreciate art, poetry, nature, relationships, and other meaningful aspects of life.

For those of us who lie in their wake the deficits in the greedy brain have more worrying ramifications.

Firstly, there is the obvious issue: greedy people will take more of our shared resources for themselves. This has been happening for centuries and is now set to peak once again. The consequences of this are far-reaching.

The direct consequences include the lack of resources for others in society. Poverty, health inequality, further decline in educational opportunities, and a much weaker safety net for the vast majority of people seem unavoidable at this stage.

There's more, of course.

dangoyal.substack.com/p/the-motivation-behind-the-oligarchs?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share

Wyllow3 Sun 19-Jan-25 12:23:53

Conversation yesterday: My sis, born into my very ordinary family wealth wise, by reasons of her and her DH being consultants and his family having some private money, have worked very hard in their lives.
They willingly pay every tax penny (and charities) but they - no doubt from having worked in the NHS all their lives with people, not lived a life "apart" believe that we stand or fall by how we live together in society as a whole.