Sick of Starmer relentlessly using the words"difficult " & "painful"

Mollygo

Do you think Starmer will go for PR, when a small majority of votes got him in?
Everybody talks about the evils of FPTP until they get elected, then it’s seen as OK.

The Labour Party doesn’t support PR, it wasn’t in the manifesto, and the motion at the conference failed - so no.

Do you think Starmer will go for PR, when a small majority of votes got him in?
Everybody talks about the evils of FPTP until they get elected, then it’s seen as OK.

When things are not happening as well as expected people seem to rush to deny they actually supported and voted for a particular party. It amazes me that hardly anyone admitted that they voted for Brexit. Funny that.

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 there were several posters who were prolific and vociferous in posting the Conservatives percentage of the votes for the seven years I have been on GN…

On gransnet but I don’t remember it being mentioned as much in the National press as it is now.

Casdon 👍

I think that’s fair comment GrannyGravy13. We all find as many ways as we can to justify why the party in power should not be there, unless we agree with what they are doing. However, we all also know that with the electoral system in the UK that is how it works, and actually all that matters is seats won, not votes cast. I hate the expression, but it is what it is.

Indeed GG13. You have an excellent memory. 👏

MayBee70 there were several posters who were prolific and vociferous in posting the Conservatives percentage of the votes for the seven years I have been on GN…

I wouldn’t be so sure MayBee. Depends on how happy the union barons are with Starmer going forward. It’s still his honeymoon period.

I don’t remember people constantly going on about the percentage of votes a winning party won in a general election before; it’s mainly the majority that people used to define success by. But it seems to me that anything negative about the new government that can be dragged up is being used against them. At the end of the day we’ve hopefully got them for at least five more years so maybe as a country we should get behind them and do everything we can to turn this country into a place that we all want to live in. At least we won’t be having a new leader every few months and the PM won’t be playing musical chairs with the cabinet on a regular basis.

Only 23% of the country voted for Keir Starmer. I didn’t but I hope he and his Cabinet do well because it’s in all our best interests if they do.

They e been in Opposition for 14 long years now. I hope they have formed some solid solutions to problems in that time. I am just hoping they’ve been keeping their ideas under wraps, waiting for Their Moment. The big reveal. They were vociferous in Opposition and voted against many (to me) sound proposals. Let’s hope the Autumn Budget inspires our collective confidence.

BigBopper

Has anyone seen this video on You Tube. It is great. The Anti Starmer comedy song. It has gone viral and says it all.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANM_l-xJCr8

Loved it!!!

Dickens I agree totally with your last post on here.

No limit that is unbelievable They have a big wage for turning up for work if they feel like it They can do so little they can find time for second jobs But they can make life so hard for the general public why have they got it in for people in council houses Well Angela Raynor got hers bought and it's not likely the MPs are living in them not on their wage and with all the perks

ronib
My main problem is that Starmer keeps saying that his government needs to be in power for two terms - ten years. I don’t quite understand what that means?

If he hasn’t sorted it out in 5 years, with all appearance of being able to continue any such improvements if re-elected, then we’ll have another change.

He’s done the easy bit-removing money from people who can’t fight back and may well be dead before the next election.

What do people see as essential achievements during Starmer’s first 5 years?

Mollygo

I’m enjoying this thread. Those of us who criticised the last government for things they saw as wrong, should be equally at liberty to criticise what they see as wrong actions of this government without constantly being told about the number of days, weeks etc. Especially when one of the hard, difficult decisions is one he criticised Sunak for considering.

Those of us who criticised the last government for things they saw as wrong, should be equally at liberty to criticise what they see as wrong actions of this government...

I'm pleased you said that Mollygo.

I was a critic of the last government and I voted for this current one but will hold them to the same level of censure.

Their short tenure would IMO only be worth noting if there were expectations that they would solve all the economic and social problems within weeks, or a couple of months.

Other than that, their decisions, choices and any policies they initiate are fair game, I think.

In truth, I was never wholly committed to Starmer, I think he's tried / is trying, to run with the hare, and hunt with the hounds. In order to win.

... but maybe he had little choice?

MayBee70 of course that would be great if it were to happen. Ten years is a long time- we could have any number of catastrophes in that time. World War 3? Another pandemic?

ronib

My main problem is that Starmer keeps saying that his government needs to be in power for two terms - ten years. I don’t quite understand what that means? Considering the very low number of votes cast for Labour in the election, it is not exactly the best way to gain support.

One very staunch Conservative Party member I know was genuinely generous in saying let’s give Starmer a chance and wait and see. I think that was before the WFA announcement though.

It means that he has a long term plan for the future of this country which will benefit everyone. Unlike the Conservatives over the past 14 years whose only plan was to offer tax cuts so they would be re elected no matter what else they inflicted upon the country ( eg Brexit).

My main problem is that Starmer keeps saying that his government needs to be in power for two terms - ten years. I don’t quite understand what that means? Considering the very low number of votes cast for Labour in the election, it is not exactly the best way to gain support.

One very staunch Conservative Party member I know was genuinely generous in saying let’s give Starmer a chance and wait and see. I think that was before the WFA announcement though.

Casdon 👍

Mollygo

GrannyGravy13

Mollygo I think those of us who are right leaning are immune to the criticism of our MP’s

Hopefully the new Government’s supporters will eventually get used to their party being under scrutiny.

I do hope so.
The constant defensive comments support the concerns raised rather than demonstrate belief that things are being done well.

I don’t know about anybody else, but I think scrutiny is good, all governments do some good and some bad things and should be constructively scrutinised. What is wearing is the repetition of rumours and hearsay, based on speculation rather than facts at the moment. I know not everybody likes links and detailed discussion and that some object to myth buster posts, but it does my head in when unreferenced posts start discussions where there is no information backing up what they say - it just winds everybody up to no end.

GrannyGravy13

Mollygo I think those of us who are right leaning are immune to the criticism of our MP’s

Hopefully the new Government’s supporters will eventually get used to their party being under scrutiny.

I do hope so.
The constant defensive comments support the concerns raised rather than demonstrate belief that things are being done well.

Mollygo I think those of us who are right leaning are immune to the criticism of our MP’s

Hopefully the new Government’s supporters will eventually get used to their party being under scrutiny.

I’m enjoying this thread. Those of us who criticised the last government for things they saw as wrong, should be equally at liberty to criticise what they see as wrong actions of this government without constantly being told about the number of days, weeks etc. Especially when one of the hard, difficult decisions is one he criticised Sunak for considering.

Casdon

This is interesting, if a bit out of date.
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/totalwealthingreatbritain/april2018tomarch2020

I looked a while back for this kind of info, but couldn't find anything up to date.

That's an interesting government link anyway, thanks for posting it - there's quite a lot to digest.