Sick of Starmer relentlessly using the words"difficult " & "painful"

Jaberwok

I think it's going to take more than WFA , bus passes and TV licences to revive the economy! Hopefully free prescription aren't next! As for the increase in the OAP, the amount quoted for that only benefits those on new pensions. Those on the old system will benefit far less. While I accept that wealthy pensioners do not need, and should not be entitled to this payment or other benefits, it would seem that those of us, particularly the over 80's who are not wealthy, are increasingly being viewed a burden on the state. Too many of us, obviously not contributing to anything worthwhile any more, clogging up the NHS, taking up accommodation that could be better used elsewhere. Unfortunately, we can't die to order, although if we could I'm sure we would in order to be helpful, being so draconian to one particular section of society, the one least able to defend themselves does seem a little cruel.

I honestly think Starmer and his cronies want every single pensioner to die so they will no longer have to pay out pensions and benefits.

eazybee

Starmer does seem to have a limited vocabulary, and the belief that if something is repeated enough times it becomes true.

That's true - look how many times we had to listen to him saying "My Dad was a toolmaker". Well his Dad certainly was, he made Starmer

Casdon

I’m sick and tired of the whinging rather than of Starmer, because he is right. It is going to be difficult and painful.

Oh goody, I can’t wait!
A difficult and painful retirement is just what I’ve worked and saved for, for the last fifty years!

I read an article that pointed out that most countries have this black hole and it’s due to an aging population and a shrinking workforce . It will get worse!

And the big C.
Covid!

No need to apologise Allira the Conservatives were awful and the others, well, a bit unknown!!! It is a bit depressing though knowing that oneself is in the firing line through being socially redundant.

If things weren't difficult, wouldn't Rishi have already sorted it all by now?

just watched the video...brilliant and so true, ..£4.3 Billion was spent on refugees and assylum seekers last year, but this government would rather stop WFP to pensioners who have worked all their lives in this country, this is only a once a year payment, not as if their handing out £8 billion a day for hotels...

Casdon

I’m sick and tired of the whinging rather than of Starmer, because he is right. It is going to be difficult and painful.

Casdon

I’m sick and tired of the whinging rather than of Starmer, because he is right. It is going to be difficult and painful.

I think the difficulty and the 'pain' would be better tolerated if (a) the warnings were not coming from a leader and his chancellor who, themselves, will be well insulated from both, and (b) if we knew that those who wasted £billions on useless PPE equipment (for example) would also be sharing the consequences of those 'difficult decisions'.

As it is, those with the least will suffer most - as they usually do, when there are black holes to be filled and cuts to be made.

And whingeing is what spoiled brats do when they can't get their own way. Rather an uncharitable comment.

karmalady

They sat there while in opposition, they could have prepared but did not appear to do much, except disagree. A lazy shower with no character

Keir in opposition made a point of supporting the government on important issues, especially during the pandemic. And I think there is a lot of cross party work going on in government currently. He has never been someone to oppose just for the sake of opposing.

The messenger is certainly not helping delivery of the message. I think all politicians repeat the same mantras but KS sounds too smug and pleased with himself. He's like Liz Truss in trying to do too much too fast.
And he gives the impression of thinking that the elderly were born as benefit scroungers.

Dickens

Casdon

I’m sick and tired of the whinging rather than of Starmer, because he is right. It is going to be difficult and painful.

Casdon

I’m sick and tired of the whinging rather than of Starmer, because he is right. It is going to be difficult and painful.

I think the difficulty and the 'pain' would be better tolerated if (a) the warnings were not coming from a leader and his chancellor who, themselves, will be well insulated from both, and (b) if we knew that those who wasted £billions on useless PPE equipment (for example) would also be sharing the consequences of those 'difficult decisions'.

As it is, those with the least will suffer most - as they usually do, when there are black holes to be filled and cuts to be made.

And whingeing is what spoiled brats do when they can't get their own way. Rather an uncharitable comment.

I used the word advisedly Dickens. It fitted the current repetitive comments being made perfectly. It is not related specifically to spoilt children. Dictionary definition:
verb
complain persistently and in a peevish or irritating way.
"stop whingeing and get on with it!"

I don’t think the ‘difficult’ and ‘painful’ would be more accepted however it was said, even if the politician saying it was in penury themselves. When something affects people, if they don’t agree with the underlying political belief behind it and the direction of travel, they will complain. What becomes tedious is the same old tropes of criticism rather than considered opinions on specific issues.

I’m not surprised at Labour, as I didn’t think this lot would be much different to the previous lot. All equally useless, blaming each other. 🤷‍♀️

If only Starmer's crew would move as fast getting all those millions refunded for the supply of useless PPE from the likes of Michelle Mone and her shady husband.

Goodness knows Starmer and Reeves were off the starting blocks like lightening when they decided to hang pensioners out to dry.

David49

It is “difficult” making voters understand benefit have to be paid for, it is going to be “painful” for us to loose the payouts we have become used to.

If Starmer fails to stop the benefits being paid to those that don’t need he will fail to revive the economy. The Tory newspapers have had a assasination campaign against his new policies, gullible voters are influenced, it doesn’t have to be accurate, if you say it often enough it will be believed.

Spot on David49.

mae13

If only Starmer's crew would move as fast getting all those millions refunded for the supply of useless PPE from the likes of Michelle Mone and her shady husband.

Goodness knows Starmer and Reeves were off the starting blocks like lightening when they decided to hang pensioners out to dry.

So all the blame lies with Labour and not the government that put her in the HOL’s and gave her the contract ?

He's moving too fast, too slow...

Casdon

Dickens

Casdon

I’m sick and tired of the whinging rather than of Starmer, because he is right. It is going to be difficult and painful.

Casdon

I’m sick and tired of the whinging rather than of Starmer, because he is right. It is going to be difficult and painful.

I think the difficulty and the 'pain' would be better tolerated if (a) the warnings were not coming from a leader and his chancellor who, themselves, will be well insulated from both, and (b) if we knew that those who wasted £billions on useless PPE equipment (for example) would also be sharing the consequences of those 'difficult decisions'.

As it is, those with the least will suffer most - as they usually do, when there are black holes to be filled and cuts to be made.

And whingeing is what spoiled brats do when they can't get their own way. Rather an uncharitable comment.

I used the word advisedly Dickens. It fitted the current repetitive comments being made perfectly. It is not related specifically to spoilt children. Dictionary definition:
verb
complain persistently and in a peevish or irritating way.
"stop whingeing and get on with it!"

I don’t think the ‘difficult’ and ‘painful’ would be more accepted however it was said, even if the politician saying it was in penury themselves. When something affects people, if they don’t agree with the underlying political belief behind it and the direction of travel, they will complain. What becomes tedious is the same old tropes of criticism rather than considered opinions on specific issues.

I understand the dictionary definition of "whingeing" - however, I was making a point, so chose to ignore the precise nature of it.

Do you mean that you are irritated by the same people repetitively complaining, or the fact that different posters are making the same complaint?

And, in fact, I would find it more acceptable if those making these decisions had decided to also make cuts to their own perks and benefits, though of course the decisions are not made by them, but they could take a stand and refuse them.

I don't actually know the figures for MPs' expenses - the sum may well be comparatively small for items like subsidised food and alcohol, and energy costs. But if the economy is in such a dire state that the relatively small £1.5 billion WFA cut intended to help fill the alleged £22 billion black-hole is enough to prevent the market from going into tail-spin - then we are certainly talking small sums.

I like Starmer and I voted for his party - I think he is about as straight as any politician can be. But I think it was ill-judged to make the WFA cut this year - just a couple of months in fact before it was due to be paid, giving those affected absolutely no time to reserve anything from their pensions to make up for the amount that many might well have budgeted for.

The black hole is based on a forecast - which could have been adjusted, as all these black holes are anyway, according to which criteria and accountancy principles are used, because he's in it for the long term.

He should not have taken the allowance this year.

That's my final whinge .

David49

Oreo

Tho they have to be allowed time to change things I agree that they haven’t covered themselves with glory so far.
I disagree that taking away benefits will revive the economy!
Politicians always blame the other lot for everything of course but there’s only so many times they can go on saying it and I’d say that time is here already, so no more mention of black holes if you please Sir Keir.

WFA is a small first step and it was announced early to give warning I don’t think they could have done much else.

You loose £ 200 but pension is increasing by £900, if you really are in difficulties claim pension credit. Others, look out for your relatives and neighbours.

Oh David49, you need to get your facts right. I am on the old state pension plus I have a small private pension and am another one just over the threshold. I have not worked out my potential increase but it might be £300 for the year

Any serps add-ons etc attached to the old pension are not changed via triple lock, they are just inflation based

The gap is widening with each year so please don`t place all pensioners into the £900 increase category

BigBopper

Has anyone seen this video on You Tube. It is great. The Anti Starmer comedy song. It has gone viral and says it all.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANM_l-xJCr8

Very, very clever and funny video BigBopper cheers.

This one made me laugh too.

BigBopper

Has anyone seen this video on You Tube. It is great. The Anti Starmer comedy song. It has gone viral and says it all.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANM_l-xJCr8

They didn’t get the tune right, and the singers sound American!

Lovetopaint037

David49

It is “difficult” making voters understand benefit have to be paid for, it is going to be “painful” for us to loose the payouts we have become used to.

If Starmer fails to stop the benefits being paid to those that don’t need he will fail to revive the economy. The Tory newspapers have had a assasination campaign against his new policies, gullible voters are influenced, it doesn’t have to be accurate, if you say it often enough it will be believed.

Spot on David49.

As the State Pension is called a benefit would you include that in the benefits which could be removed at any time to those, for example, who paid into works pension schemes? ie means tested?

Should those receive benefits because they work part-time have the benefit removed to encourage them to work full-time?

I don't actually know the figures for MPs' expenses - the sum may well be comparatively small for items like subsidised food and alcohol, and energy costs.

Because we are self-employed and work in our own homes, my childminder colleagues and I can offset a certain percentage of our household expenses against tax.

This year I'm pondering whether my restorative evening glass of wine could also be included? 🍷🤞

Our usual, tongue in cheek, way of deciding an expenses question is to ask ourselves, "What would an MP do...?" 🤔

Somehow I don't think HMRC would accept it in our case 🤨

Only people with very little money get a state pension here. It is means tested. The problem is for those, like us, who just miss out and therefore have to pay full rates on everything. Puts us in a similar position,I suppose ,as those who actually get it all paid for. The rich don’t care anyway.