Sick of Starmer relentlessly using the words"difficult " & "painful"

Cuba, North Korea, Laos and a few others are examples of non capitalist countries it seems. Interesting.

Summed up the situation extremely well Dickens

I will add that those in the middle are often overlooked and left to their own devices, juggling with childcare struggling mortgages and bills.

Of course, the status quo, and the elephant in the room is capitalism. I happened to comment to my son that I didn’t think capitalism was working out too well. He replied that it’s working out perfectly, doing exactly what it’s meant to do ie. keeping the rich, rich and becoming even richer, and keeping the rest of us in our place. One we realise that, and that those in power actually don’t give a monkeys’ about the rest of us except as a means to their ends, it all makes perfect sense.

And no, I’m not suggesting we should have a revolution (but nothing else will change anything).

Yes I agree with your thoughts too Dickens

I completely agree with you Dickens. Any government of any colour is committed to maintaining the status quo. Some may present a slightly more compassionate front, most will talk about being tough for the greater good .

I’m sad to say, they will all look after themselves and their friends. There doesn’t seem to be any notion of public service any longer, it’s all about what’s in it for them. I’m so disappointed in this government, and I didn’t expect much to be honest.

So - how do you square the circle in politics?

We have a socio-economic system that inevitably favours those with wealth. The more wealth, the more power. If you have it, you're not likely to want to be relieved of it.

We have to elect a government that is going to represent both the wealthy, the not so wealthy, and those with virtually nothing but state support.

The wealthy elite naturally want to hang on to their wealth and power, the middle-income want to keep what they've worked for, and the poor don't want to lose yet more benefits.

Every five years we have the opportunity for the shop to be under new management. All Starmer is doing is moving the goods around onto different shelves, but it's still the same shop selling the same goods.

Unless there is a party that wants to shake up the status-quo, it will always be the same-old, same-old - regardless of which party it is.

... that's how I see the issue anyway.

MayBee70

Well Reform are going to save the country, aren’t they…

Are they?

Perhaps you would like to tell us how?

TerriBull 👏👏👏

Well Reform are going to save the country, aren’t they…

I hope they don't get a second term, but where would we go from there, they're all awful. I can't think of one political party that I'd be prepared to vote for right now, that's what's so depressing. Should we be surprised when as soon as elected the disappointment kicks in?. Not really what amazes me is the amount of hope invested by some in their chosen party, I just don't get the blind faith at all in these fallable human beings, who don't resonate with the mood of the country and defend their shameless greed. Oh and I love the "well they have more important issues to deal with" deflection pure and simple, of course they have pressing issues they're the bloody government, was it ever thus, not a justification for the "because I'm worth it" freebie clothes, spectacles, Madame Pompadour wallpaper whatever

Elegran

Lisaangel10

I think 12-18 months maximum and Starmer will be gone.

Which leader and/or party do you think will take his place, and what successful policies do you think they will produce out of their hat?

"and what successful policies do you think they will produce out of their hat"

A good question. Where's the opposition? Alternative policies?

Elegran

Lisaangel10

I think 12-18 months maximum and Starmer will be gone.

Which leader and/or party do you think will take his place, and what successful policies do you think they will produce out of their hat?

Could be a worse leader, although not sure how, but Rayner, or please no , Lammy. Not sure Labour will go easily, even after their horrendous uncaring start, but I'll bet they will not get a second term.

Lisaangel10

I think 12-18 months maximum and Starmer will be gone.

Which leader and/or party do you think will take his place, and what successful policies do you think they will produce out of their hat?

karmalady

pascal30

I've just been to the Liberal Democrat Conference and was impressed with how caring and pleasant the people were. I have always voted Green in the past but will now fully support LD's .. I am very disappointed in Keir Starmer, he has the opportunity to really make a difference but he hasn't started well, and I don't think this will change

people in my area did but won`t in future, our lib dem mp voted to withdraw wfa, the oldies voted her in and we will vote her out

That sounds quite unusual, they seemed more progressive than that to me..

pascal30

I've just been to the Liberal Democrat Conference and was impressed with how caring and pleasant the people were. I have always voted Green in the past but will now fully support LD's .. I am very disappointed in Keir Starmer, he has the opportunity to really make a difference but he hasn't started well, and I don't think this will change

people in my area did but won`t in future, our lib dem mp voted to withdraw wfa, the oldies voted her in and we will vote her out

I think 12-18 months maximum and Starmer will be gone.

I've just been to the Liberal Democrat Conference and was impressed with how caring and pleasant the people were. I have always voted Green in the past but will now fully support LD's .. I am very disappointed in Keir Starmer, he has the opportunity to really make a difference but he hasn't started well, and I don't think this will change

BevSec

Leskey60, I had a fair idea of what we would be getting and am not surprised at what is happening now.

I never believed a word Starmer said so am not surprised. There are many clips of him having a go at Boris Johnson over some fancy wallpaper yet here he is, accepting more handouts for himself and his wife than any MP ever! £100,000 in gifts so far. He does speak with forked tongue.

A better future for whom, Casdon?
Self-interest right from the beginning, if not before if you count the freebies collected during Opposition time.

Leskey60, I had a fair idea of what we would be getting and am not surprised at what is happening now.

I must admit I voted Labour due to believing Kier Starmer was for the working people not just the mega rich, how wrong could I be he’s just the same as the others and in it for what he can get.
Only the other day he was saying about pensioners having to choose heating or eating and what does he do take the heating off them, whilst we are hearing every day what he a millionaire is getting in freebies.
I would never have voted for him had I known how he would act as PM.

Casdon

It’s the people who deny that this country is in a terrible state, with diminished public services, increased poverty, a reduced role in Europe and on the world stage as a result of years of misrule who are in denial eazybee. At least people who voted Labour did so with the hope of a better future for the population as a whole.

Well said Casdon. John Major said it all in his bbc interview this evening. He said we are a poorer country because of Brexit. When the cost of living rose it was not said by the very press that encouraged Brexit that it was the obvious cause. At least Starmer is attempting to mend some bridges with Europe. A necessary task because of the ridiculous postering and antics of Johnson who sold the British people a pack of lies.

Cabinet ministers get an extra £67,505 on top of their MP's pay, ministers of state £31,680, and the most junior ministers £22,375.15

So confused this black hole means big shortage of money available but they can pay Sue Gray a hundred and seventy thousand what does she do how many hours a week does she work Don't MPs just work when they feel like it

I voted for them and how disappointed I’m feeling now.