Keir Starmer another scandal?

MaizieD

I just KNEW days ago that he'd get the blame for this the minute I read that he was head of the CPS at the time.
I doubt if he was any more responsible for Al Fayed not being prosecuted than he was for Saville.

But please don't let that thought spoil your enjoyment.

I knew that too. Boris Johnson was guilty of suggesting he covered up the Jimmy Savile and although proved wrong people are still claiming this as fact on X

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/41068-one-five-believe-pms-jimmy-savile-allegations-agai

They are doing the same about the Al Fayed case.

Nobody is scared of Keir.

What's happened to the first 100 days thread?

After Boris was endorsed by Trump, Keir tweeted: “An endorsement from Donald Trump tells you everything you need to know about what is wrong with Boris Johnson’s politics and why he isn’t fit to be Prime Minister.”

And Lammy tweeted about Trump in a most unflattering way.

And who spent 2 hours with Trump yesterday?

Keir and Lammy

The thing is, people aren't raking things up. These comments are so easy to find. Like Keir, in May promising fuel prices wouldn't rise.

This is the world we live in now. Social media. There's no escape.

eggplant

sharon103

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there something like this with Kier Starmer when he was head of CPS and Jimmy Saville?

I will correct you. It has been proven to be untrue.

There you go.

Even Johnson’s fellow MP’s were angry with him for making that unfounded allegation in parliament. Sadly people forget that he did it and also choose to ignore the fact that it has been proved to be untrue. If only people were so quick to point out the work he did regarding N Ireland. But that doesn’t make for a sordid gutter press headlining story, does it?

Rekarie

Nobody is scared of Keir.

What's happened to the first 100 days thread?

I hope Whitewavemark is okay actually, she’s a regular poster and hasn’t been on at all for a little while.

People would be foolish not to be wary of Starmer.
Mendacious, greedy, disloyal and actually at present rather a laughing stock, a dangerous thing for a man of his temperament.
Not the upright pious puritan he presented himself as in opposition.
I have no intention of justifying my comments; my opinion.
We shall see.

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Just heard that RR will be now borrowing bigtime to get large projects going, that’s something good actually but she didn’t need to frighten everyone with the black hole nonsense constantly spouted or take away the WFA for pensioners first.

Glad to hear that.

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The person to blame for what Al Fayed did is Al Fayed himself. I don’t know whether the allegations against him ever crossed Starmer’s desk or not, but these allegations did cross the desks of some people. There were many complaints made to the police about him but nothing was ever done. There must have been a reason. It’s interesting that he was denied British citizenship, perhaps now we know why. This man was known about by the establishment for sure, and likely protected by the establishment. It’s just too coincidental that all this has come out now he’s dead.

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Its possible that he was initially denied citizenship because it emerged in the 1990's he was involved in a cash for questions scandal - payments made to two MP's.

www.theguardian.com/politics/1994/oct/20/conservatives.uk

Oreo

Just heard that RR will be now borrowing bigtime to get large projects going, that’s something good actually but she didn’t need to frighten everyone with the black hole nonsense constantly spouted or take away the WFA for pensioners first.

The extra money will be for capital projects, infrastructure.

The supposed 'black hole' was in ordinary, day to day spending, which is what the WFA is.

As far as the economy and government accounting is concerned there is a difference.

As far as I'm concerned it was all a load of economic rubbish, anyway, but the idea was to convince voters that Labour were responsible with the nation's finances. I'm sure most people were well aware of that.

We could still get austerity, though, if government departments are having to make 'savings' on their budgets.

But infrastructure projects should offer a lot of employment and, pouf! just like that, the tax take should improve... So the gap between revenue and routine expenditure should narrow

Well if they weren’t well aware of it, they are now, having heard the expressions 22billion black hole and stabilising the economy over and over again.
Can we just get on with things now Keir?

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Oh give over with the nonsense, just a light hearted explanation for a poster not being on here for a week or whatever.We do all have lives and can’t be on forums all the time.

I think what labour are doing is encouraging all these rumours, so that when the budget comes and it is no where as bad as everyone fears, we will all sigh with relief and accept all the bad things it will cocntain as a sweet relief.

This si a standard tactic in circumstances like this.

Casdon

Rekarie

Nobody is scared of Keir.

What's happened to the first 100 days thread?

I hope Whitewavemark is okay actually, she’s a regular poster and hasn’t been on at all for a little while.

I was thinking the same thing the other day.
I hope all’s well.

M0nica

I think what labour are doing is encouraging all these rumours, so that when the budget comes and it is no where as bad as everyone fears, we will all sigh with relief and accept all the bad things it will cocntain as a sweet relief.

This si a standard tactic in circumstances like this.

You’re right, it’s what they all do, but I think it was overdone in this case, the whole black hole scenario.
Am hoping for better things and a sense of optimism which is important for the country.
To tackle big infrastructure projects, create jobs and boost productivity.Here’s hoping anyway,

M0nica

I think what labour are doing is encouraging all these rumours, so that when the budget comes and it is no where as bad as everyone fears, we will all sigh with relief and accept all the bad things it will cocntain as a sweet relief.

This si a standard tactic in circumstances like this.

I’ve wondered that too, M0nica. It’s a risky strategy given the media bias in the UK, though. KS was always going to have a mountain to climb there, and he must have known that. People with money (be they big business owners, press barons or just those who begrudge paying taxes) will do anything to cling to it, and money is power. He must have realised there would be a backlash against any attempt at redistribution.

I hope it is a PR strategy, but there seems to have been so little thought given to PR that I don’t know. A huge double bluff? I don’t see KS as a game player, really, but I suppose we don’t know that yet either- I’m still waiting to see. There’s no point in rushing to judgment, and I am still hopeful that there will be better times to come. Glass half full, and all that.

Frankly every Labour strategist and planner and dogsbody who has anything to do with the PR and introduction of change that will inevitably follow a change in government, should be out on their ear. A more incompetent set of boobies has yet to ride into power on a successful political parties coat tails.

Politics is all about the management of expectation and selling your ideas, so that people will 1) vote for them 2) be happy about their implementation once you are in power. Once you fail to to convince people that your policies are good for them, or that they will be implemented with thought and care. You might as well pack your bags and go home.

So PR, presentation, marketing are key skills for a successful government. This lot could write the primer on how to fail.

I don't know about riding to power on a successful party's coat tails (do you mean the Tories? They were hardly 'successful'), but I've said several times that the government needs much better Comms, and usually the replies are all about how people hated Campbell and Mandelson. Cummings seems to be forgiven and forgotten, but maybe that's the best thing for him.

IMO there are always two (or more) ways to look at something. Presenting one which counters the media version is not necessarily duplicitous - it can just be counter-propaganda. Someone needs to get a handle on this for the government.