Keir Starmer another scandal?

How much more bad publicity can this man take?

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there something like this with Kier Starmer when he was head of CPS and Jimmy Saville?

sharon103

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there something like this with Kier Starmer when he was head of CPS and Jimmy Saville?

Yes there was !!

Facts:

Al Fayad cases going to the CPA in his time:

2009: Allegation of indecent Assault
2013 then the same woman 2015 allegation of rape.

Three other investigations into claims made by three other women - in 2018, 2021 and 2023 - got to an advanced enough stage that the CPS was called in to advise detectives.

There are 14 CPS offices operating through the country. Each has a Chief Crown Prosecutor. They make the bulk of the decisions, only a small minority get passed up to the DPP*

(As an example, South Yorkshire CPS prosecuted just over 60% of cases referred, the rest turned down)

So: Director of Public Prosecutions heads up the whole service of the 14 regions.

The Director is directly involved only in certain major cases, such as crimes for which the maximum penalty is 21 years in prison. There is no evidence that the Fayed cases went up to the level of the DPP. Indecent assault would not have gone up to the DPP.

(all infö from CPS or BBC)
www.cps.gov.uk/publication/code-crown-prosecutors)

The sufficiency of evidence is not available to the public.

The previous thread thread on Al Fayed speculated at length who more women did not come forward at the time: here they speak for themselves:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxrg7281e0o

I just KNEW days ago that he'd get the blame for this the minute I read that he was head of the CPS at the time.
I doubt if he was any more responsible for Al Fayed not being prosecuted than he was for Saville.

But please don't let that thought spoil your enjoyment.

Thanks for the facts, Wyllow.

It won't make any difference though...🙄

He is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't he?

fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/

Full Fact report regarding DPP and Savile case.

To be fair how much part does the head of any organisation play in making the day to day decisions that the organisation/company has to make?

It is very easy to say afterwards when the fat really hits the fan and someone famous is found to be truly steeped in crime, like Saville, and, possibly, Al Fayed.

But we are a country that prides itself on the rule of law - and that means we have high and clear standards about the quality of evidence that is needed to convict someone and it does neither the reputation of our legal system, nor the people accused, whether they are famous or not, if they get taken to court on evidence that is not sufficient to secure a conviction.

Rumour and stories and a few witnesses, who may at the last minute change their mind about giving evidence, for a number of reasons including fear of reprisals or, alternatively, being bought off, can make cases like this very difficult to bring to court, so failing to take a case to court in the first place, however damning LATER evidence may be is no sign that the first case was caused by failure by the CPS.

sharon103

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there something like this with Kier Starmer when he was head of CPS and Jimmy Saville?

I will correct you. It has been proven to be untrue.

There you go.

MaizieD

I just KNEW days ago that he'd get the blame for this the minute I read that he was head of the CPS at the time.
I doubt if he was any more responsible for Al Fayed not being prosecuted than he was for Saville.

But please don't let that thought spoil your enjoyment.

This one human being is clearly totally responsible for absolutely everything that goes wrong, everywhere.

Whereas BJ who lied and lied while people died and couldn't attend funerals was an honourable man.

Sorted!

Nope, again, no scandal. Next it will be ‘Shock Horror Keir Starmer only cuts his toenails once a month!’ Roll on some actual, real news.

Casdon

Nope, again, no scandal. Next it will be ‘Shock Horror Keir Starmer only cuts his toenails once a month!’ Roll on some actual, real news.

The real scandal will be when we find out where the clippings are buried.

The real shock would be if the pop-up anti-Starmer posters could spell Keir.....

Some of you are Daily Mailing again.

Starmer has said he was not involved in the case involving Al Fayed.

LauraNorderr

Casdon

Nope, again, no scandal. Next it will be ‘Shock Horror Keir Starmer only cuts his toenails once a month!’ Roll on some actual, real news.

The real scandal will be when we find out where the clippings are buried.

Under the patio?

I blame the Tories for all the suspicion. The scandals and lies leave a long shadow and the new government are tainted by it.

Mamie

The real shock would be if the pop-up anti-Starmer posters could spell Keir.....

👏👏👏

Mamie

The real shock would be if the pop-up anti-Starmer posters could spell Keir.....

Naughty. Perhaps the pop ups are bots. And can't spell.

Well if he was personally involved in every decision about every case he must be responsible. On the other hand as the head of the organisation I doubt he even saw papers on Al Fayed or Saville.

Some anti Labour people are really scraping the barrel, man attends football match where he has bought a ticket, family move into a friends flat when their house is subject to paparazzi and Gaza protestors and on and on it goes.

eggplant

Mamie

The real shock would be if the pop-up anti-Starmer posters could spell Keir.....

Naughty. Perhaps the pop ups are bots. And can't spell.

You'd think they could get spelling bots.

biglouis

How much more bad publicity can this man take?

Someone must be very scared of him to keep circulating repeats of old disproved slurs, new "scandals" about routine things that had been dealt with by others before they reached his desk, and practices that were commonplace by all previous PMs. The dirty-works departments and rumour-mongers are working overtime - pity they weren't on such high alert while millions were being squirrelled away by chums of those in high places.

Eggplant - well said.