Keir Starmer another scandal?

Agreed, Lizzie and Allira.

I just saw this in the Guardian when I was looking up something else:
Lord Alli, one of Labour’s biggest fundraisers, hosted a party for other donors in the Downing Street garden after the election, prompting accusations he had used government property for party political reasons.
Lord Alli no longer has a pass.

I am disappointed at Sir Keir's apparent lack of judgement as to how all of this might be perceived; I did expect better of him, frankly.

Well yes of course she had people complaining about her views, that is why many of us supported her. She believes in single sex spaces, lots of people are opposed to that. So what, it doesnt make them right.

I voted Labour, want a Labour government, but am not blind to Labour's faults.
I note not one single person has made any comment on Starmer launching his election campaign in Kent and not inviting the only elected Labour MP in the county. Could he have made it any clearer that RD was persona non grata as far as he was concerned? He did however, just a few weeks earlier, make a great show of being photographed welcoming Natalie Elphicke (MP for Dover) to the party after she defected from the Conservatives to cross the floor, even though it was known she would stand down at the next election. Of course at that time nobody knew just two weeks later Sunak would declare that intention.

On a point of accuracy, Starmer has not said no more acceptance of gifts, he was very careful to say no more clothes
I mistakenly thought that the criticism Starmer and colleagues had expressed for Conservative greedy freebies etc would mean that even if legal under the rules they would not be availing themselves of the same. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I do think there is a concerted campaign to find or manufacture things to criticise Starmer for, but that shouldn't blind us to justified criticism.

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RD’z resignation letter

Doodledog

ronib

Doodledog please confirm that you read RD’s resignation letter? Sleaze nepotism and so on. Pretty serious accusations which you have not covered.

I did read it, but I didn't cover it as have no idea who the people are who she is accusing of being beneficiaries of nepotism. Have you? Perhaps you could enlighten me?

I took it to mean she was alluding to Sue Grey and her son.

whitstableviews.com/2024/06/15/the-winds-of-electoral-change/

Interesting article about Duffield. I’ve also posted it on the other thread about this issue.

She may be a ‘hero’ to some on here … but not to some of her constituents.

Our Parliamentary representative democracy is broken and it needs fixing as a matter of urgency. Our flawed electoral system has produced a freak result, which means we find ourselves in a de facto dictatorship, a untouchable party with a huge unhealthy majority, achieved with the support of only 20% of eligible voters. And of those 20% many already have buyer’s remorse!

We need to look at an electoral system along the lines of the Swiss model of direct democracy to ensure this never happens again.

It’s not just the UK, the same is happening in other European Countries where the people vote for one thing, but the establishment work together to prevent the people getting what the majority voted for.

Respect to Rosie that was a real “ouch” of a resignation letter!

Rosie51

I voted Labour, want a Labour government, but am not blind to Labour's faults.
I note not one single person has made any comment on Starmer launching his election campaign in Kent and not inviting the only elected Labour MP in the county. Could he have made it any clearer that RD was persona non grata as far as he was concerned? He did however, just a few weeks earlier, make a great show of being photographed welcoming Natalie Elphicke (MP for Dover) to the party after she defected from the Conservatives to cross the floor, even though it was known she would stand down at the next election. Of course at that time nobody knew just two weeks later Sunak would declare that intention.

On a point of accuracy, Starmer has not said no more acceptance of gifts, he was very careful to say no more clothes
I mistakenly thought that the criticism Starmer and colleagues had expressed for Conservative greedy freebies etc would mean that even if legal under the rules they would not be availing themselves of the same. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I do think there is a concerted campaign to find or manufacture things to criticise Starmer for, but that shouldn't blind us to justified criticism.

Very good comment 👏🏻👏🏻

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Our Parliamentary representative democracy is broken and it needs fixing as a matter of urgency. Our flawed electoral system has produced a freak result, which means we find ourselves in a de facto dictatorship, a untouchable party with a huge unhealthy majority, achieved with the support of only 20% of eligible voters. And of those 20% many already have buyer’s remorse!

We need to look at an electoral system along the lines of the Swiss model of direct democracy to ensure this never happens again.

It’s not just the UK, the same is happening in other European Countries where the people vote for one thing, but the establishment work together to prevent the people getting what the majority voted for.

Respect to Rosie that was a real “ouch” of a resignation letter!

How can Reform assist with this process I wonder?

How will any of our parties? They won’t.
It’s just my musings …

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Our Parliamentary representative democracy is broken and it needs fixing as a matter of urgency. Our flawed electoral system has produced a freak result, which means we find ourselves in a de facto dictatorship, a untouchable party with a huge unhealthy majority, achieved with the support of only 20% of eligible voters. And of those 20% many already have buyer’s remorse!

We need to look at an electoral system along the lines of the Swiss model of direct democracy to ensure this never happens again.

It’s not just the UK, the same is happening in other European Countries where the people vote for one thing, but the establishment work together to prevent the people getting what the majority voted for.

Respect to Rosie that was a real “ouch” of a resignation letter!

And Reform a Limited Company, which you support, would achieve a "real representative democracy?"

As for respect for Rosie, of course many of us support parts of what she says, but when you read about her as in the article above, she is far from being a model MP. I give far more credit to backbenchers who work hard together in the party to change what's not right not step out in a shower of self publicity.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Our Parliamentary representative democracy is broken and it needs fixing as a matter of urgency. Our flawed electoral system has produced a freak result, which means we find ourselves in a de facto dictatorship, a untouchable party with a huge unhealthy majority, achieved with the support of only 20% of eligible voters. And of those 20% many already have buyer’s remorse!

We need to look at an electoral system along the lines of the Swiss model of direct democracy to ensure this never happens again.

It’s not just the UK, the same is happening in other European Countries where the people vote for one thing, but the establishment work together to prevent the people getting what the majority voted for.

Respect to Rosie that was a real “ouch” of a resignation letter!

Why a 'freak result'?

After numerous PMs who weren't elected at all, it seems a strange way to describe an elected government.

Again, I agree with Wyllow.

Freak as in so many seats for just 20% of the votes maybe?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Freak as in so many seats for just 20% of the votes maybe?

What percentage of the vote did Sunak have? Or Truss? May? Johnson?

Once again, thanks to Doodledog for her comments about Starmer - Duffield.
Wyllow - 👍🏻

I’ve posted my negative views on Duffield standing as a Labour mp 3 months ago despite her long standing criticism of the party.

Did she leave the Party or did the Party leave her?

She’s never been at ease with the LP. She should not have stood as a Labour candidate in July. I’d have more respect if she’d stood as an independent

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Freak as in so many seats for just 20% of the votes maybe?

That doesn’t stack up as an argument when no party has ever won more than 50% of the vote since the 1950s, so by that token we would not have had a single government with a mandate to rule. Are you saying that the system is always unfair to the parties who don’t win the most votes, and that we should therefore have PR and coalition is the way forward?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Freak as in so many seats for just 20% of the votes maybe?

Yes, in a general election that is surprising. That’s not like a change of leadership.

eazybee

People would be foolish not to be wary of Starmer.
Mendacious, greedy, disloyal and actually at present rather a laughing stock, a dangerous thing for a man of his temperament.
Not the upright pious puritan he presented himself as in opposition.
I have no intention of justifying my comments; my opinion.
We shall see.

Just listened to Beth Rigby of sky news, how KS made her so uncomfortable, with his furious rant, when she brought up him taking freebies- he didn’t come across as a nice fellow

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Freak as in so many seats for just 20% of the votes maybe?

One in five people voted tactically to stop the Tories being elected, there was even an app to assist people. Statistics don’t always give the true picture.

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49886-one-in-five-voters-say-they-are-voting-tactically-at-the-2024-general-election

Mt61

eazybee

People would be foolish not to be wary of Starmer.
Mendacious, greedy, disloyal and actually at present rather a laughing stock, a dangerous thing for a man of his temperament.
Not the upright pious puritan he presented himself as in opposition.
I have no intention of justifying my comments; my opinion.
We shall see.

Just listened to Beth Rigby of sky news, how KS made her so uncomfortable, with his furious rant, when she brought up him taking freebies- he didn’t come across as a nice fellow

I’ve watched the interview and Keir Starmer put forward the facts after Beth Rigby asked the same questions numerous times, there was no furious ranting. Interestingly Sky News reported the interview with the headline “Sir Keir Starmer says he took £20,000 donation after promise to protect family” which gives a completely false picture of what happened but unfortunately it is what most people will take from the interview.

SKY seems very critical of Starmer, have they got someone ready to leap into his chair !