Well Done Rosie Duffield

Casdon I am not expecting a fashion show …. But so far that’s all we’ve had.

ronib you don’t like the Labour Party, or Keir Starmer and his team. Your views on “the unions and the working classes” sound like something Lady Grantham might say
You must be aware that the LP has members who are successful business people, professors, medical and other professions, the law being an area that draws many Labour supporters

Quote Rosie51 Sun 29-Sep-24 21:43:13
Anniebach Stephen took essentials, food is essential, Rachel took a meal the day before.

I know about problems having food, my GP prescribed Ensure liquid food for me for several years during Covid

Stephen did not lie, he drove over 150 miles , sat in the garden for a rest then drove back to Wales.

I have no interest in RD and her affairs, did your niece have dementia?

I thought better of you Anniebach I stated my midwife niece so no she doesn't have dementia, she put her life in danger every day going into the hospital and even into the homes of newly delivered women where there was Covid. She worked incredibly long hours to the point of exhaustion covering colleagues ill with Covid.

I'm sorry, I don't see the relevance of the Ensure liquid food? Is that what Glynis used? Could Rachel not have delivered some, or them order it from Amazon? Glynis having dementia is no excuse for breaking the rules which were clearly set out.

Stephen did not lie, he drove over 150 miles , sat in the garden for a rest then drove back to Wales. So his tweet back to the police stating he only stayed long enough to sing "Happy Birthday" was a lie? Your statement and his tweet don't add up.

Stephen posted the photographs , then the police spoke, did
RB post photographs of her with her man friend ? I wondered how it became public

I was prescribed Ensure, I accepted this had to be, I don’t know
how it could be explained to someone with dementia

No difference Stephen taking food to his parents and chatting in the garden to you taking food to a niece and chatting from the pavement.

You and I have completely different views on the meaning of
dignity

And another thing this current government has made a real pig’s ear of communication so it’s anybody’s guess what policies and belief systems they are touting this week. It sure isn’t care of the weak and the vulnerable.

ronib

Hang on - the Labour Party has its roots with the trade union movement and the working classes.
Not the jet set?

You are funny sometimes ronib. Are you expecting hair shirts and wooden clogs in 2024?

Hang on - the Labour Party has its roots with the trade union movement and the working classes.
Not the jet set?

Iam64 you really think so?

True Iam change is inevitable

Anniebach Stephen took essentials, food is essential, Rachel took a meal the day before.

I know about problems having food, my GP prescribed Ensure liquid food for me for several years during Covid

Stephen did not lie, he drove over 150 miles , sat in the garden for a rest then drove back to Wales.

I have no interest in RD and her affairs, did your niece have dementia?

I thought better of you Anniebach I stated my midwife niece so no she doesn't have dementia, she put her life in danger every day going into the hospital and even into the homes of newly delivered women where there was Covid. She worked incredibly long hours to the point of exhaustion covering colleagues ill with Covid.

I'm sorry, I don't see the relevance of the Ensure liquid food? Is that what Glynis used? Could Rachel not have delivered some, or them order it from Amazon? Glynis having dementia is no excuse for breaking the rules which were clearly set out.

Stephen did not lie, he drove over 150 miles , sat in the garden for a rest then drove back to Wales. So his tweet back to the police stating he only stayed long enough to sing "Happy Birthday" was a lie? Your statement and his tweet don't add up.

You dragged up RD's transgression now say you have no interest.

The Conservative Party more than lost touch with its roots
The Labour Party policies and belief systems reflect its roots but this is 2024 so change is inevitable

Anybody would think that the Labour Party is losing touch with its roots - ??

Just wondering how many luxury penthouses does Lord Alli own? New York, Covent Garden - and I remember Covent Garden before it was redeveloped! I could be a bit jealous…. Oh well….

It’s different interpretations of the facts depending on peoples’ political views, political awareness and background knowledge, moral standpoints etc. isn’t it nightowl. There isn’t actually one view that is correct and one that is wrong. If only life, and politics were that straightforward. I think when rules are there that permit politicians to act in a way which the electorate think is wrong, what we should do is to lobby for the rules to be changed. Condemning them for operating within the system won’t achieve anything.

The one has no effect on the other

Anniebach counting your pennies if not out and out greed? Enjoying the high life depending on the accommodation provided. Maybe if Starmer hadn’t obviously targeted some pension groups who can’t afford Butlins, it wouldn’t look so bad. It’s just the optics are not working at the moment…

Is accepting a place to stay whilst on holiday greed ?

Yes Casdon, I do think there are attempts to smear her, not just on here but growing in the wider media. I think people have invested so much in getting rid of the last government and hoping for a much better future that it’s hard to accept any criticism of those they’ve pinned their hopes on. I think that’s why so many people, again not just on here, are doing somersaults to excuse the same wrongdoing they condemned in the last lot. No matter that they were worse, it’s very early days but already the excess of greed is breathtaking, and if it’s wrong it’s wrong, whether within the rules or not.

Quote Rosie51 Sun 29-Sep-24 20:20:50
Anniebach there were many, many people in similar situations who obeyed lockdown. He clearly lied that he had to take necessary supplies and only stayed long enough to sing Happy Birthday. How far did he drive?

There must have been hundreds of families in similar situations, none of whom were given a pass to break lockdown. You clearly just want to condemn Rosie Duffield, and that's why you dragged up her past. In that incident she showed dignity and accepted her wrongdoing. You've just totally excused Stephen's lies and wrongdoing.
I thought that was something most posters agreed on, our condemnation of the lockdown rule breakers, apparently not if you're the preferred rule breaker
Stephen took essentials, food is essential, Rachel took a meal the day before.

I know about problems having food, my GP prescribed Ensure
liquid food for me for several years during Covid

Stephen did not lie, he drove over 150 miles , sat in the garden for a rest then drove back to Wales.

I have no interest in RD and her affairs, did your niece have dementia?

Rosie51

I sort of agree Casdon that she could possibly, probably, have been a bit more diplomatic and could have saved herself some of the grief. But Rosie is very committed and does wear her heart on her sleeve. I just hope she doesn't regret her decision.

I think bringing up her breaking of lockdown rules does smack of smearing, especially when followed up by excusing and approval of another Labour MP's breaking of them.

I agree, and hope too that she doesn’t regret it, although I suspect she might - to use Galaxy’s analogy of squeaky wheels, they do only tend to work at all when they are attached to a vehicle. No doubt it will play out, how remains to be seen.

Rosie51

I sort of agree Casdon that she could possibly, probably, have been a bit more diplomatic and could have saved herself some of the grief. But Rosie is very committed and does wear her heart on her sleeve. I just hope she doesn't regret her decision.

I think bringing up her breaking of lockdown rules does smack of smearing, especially when followed up by excusing and approval of another Labour MP's breaking of them.

Is it a smear if it actually happened and she admitted to it? Surely it is only a smear if it’s an accusation of something that might not have happened?

I think she is braver than most people in the labour party, and I dont mind squeaky wheels, in the right place they tend to get things done. I would say most of the women who have made inroads on the gender issue are squeaky wheels. I am grateful for their work.

I sort of agree Casdon that she could possibly, probably, have been a bit more diplomatic and could have saved herself some of the grief. But Rosie is very committed and does wear her heart on her sleeve. I just hope she doesn't regret her decision.

I think bringing up her breaking of lockdown rules does smack of smearing, especially when followed up by excusing and approval of another Labour MP's breaking of them.

Do you think that’s what is happening nightowl? I think people were trying to have a sensible discussion about the ramifications of her decision, and inevitably views about her, and her rationale for doing as she did will differ - that doesn’t imply there is a right or wrong in what she said, but it does attempt to put it into a wider context.
Specifically to answer your question, I think she had her reasons for saying what she did, but in typical RD style she goes a mile rather than an inch and ends up out on a limb without thinking of the ramifications for herself or the party. What I feel is that there was a more mature way to handle the issue she saw, and herself, that would ultimately have been more effective. There will be as many different views as there are people on this thread though.

Anniebach there were many, many people in similar situations who obeyed lockdown. He clearly lied that he had to take necessary supplies and only stayed long enough to sing Happy Birthday. How far did he drive?

There must have been hundreds of families in similar situations, none of whom were given a pass to break lockdown. You clearly just want to condemn Rosie Duffield, and that's why you dragged up her past. In that incident she showed dignity and accepted her wrongdoing. You've just totally excused Stephen's lies and wrongdoing.
I thought that was something most posters agreed on, our condemnation of the lockdown rule breakers, apparently not if you're the preferred rule breaker.

Yes he drove there , took the chairs, sat in the garden , Glynis had dementia Neil was nursing her