Thousands stuck in Lebanon

Nanna8 - I remember last time there was war and hundreds of Australian Lebanese who had been living in Lebanon for many years with Australian pensions suddenly decided they wanted to come back to Oz!

TakeThat7

So Starmer not condemning the pounding by Israel Thousands killed in Gaza and now Israel onto Lebanon
Israel not interested in a complete ceasefire If countries keep backing Israel there is no hope I'm ashamed of all the support they are getting to so called defend themselves Starmer should be talking about a complete cease fire

I stand with Israel. Iran and Hezbollah firing on Israel since (October, should they sit back and let them. Would we have let Nazi Germany bombard us without retaliation.
Why should Israel sit back, and be destroyed, because all those Jewish people will be.

maddyfour

eggplant

For what it's worth, no right minded person would be in any shape or form " happy" with what various terrorist groups do.

Running alongside this is utter despair at the ferocity of the retribution.

Watse of time commenting really.

I assume you mean the ferocity of the 181 missiles fired into Israel this afternoon.

I assume you regard some victims as more important than others.

Hideous situation and this doesn't help anybody.

I don’t regard some victims as more important than others. I wonder why you would say that? I think that statement is offensive and reportable, although I won’t report and I ll leave it here to stand.

Israel had the most brutal attack on their citizens on 07/10/24. Following this, on 08/10/24, Hezbollah started to rain down miles down on Israel, hundreds every day. At the same time Hamas were firing missiles into Israel from Gaza.

I think it entirely appropriate that Israel defends itself and its citizens? Hezbollah and Hamas should not be able allowed to carry on attacking Israel. And now Iran are joining in. Thankfully our Prime Minister believes that Israel cannot continue to be attacked by terrorists constantly.

The main difference between the Israeli State and Hamas/Hezbollah/The Houthis is Israel has built a defence system to protect its citizens, whilst the terrorists have built tunnels in order to protect the terrorists, and stuff the civilian population …

Correct GrannyGravy, and posters attacking other posters does absolutely nothing to help us understand the situation.

Gist of quote from Golda Meir: 'If the Arabs put down their weapons we could all live in peace, if we (Israelis) put down our weapons, we will all be murdered'. Slight correction, by 'we,' I think she meant Israelis, when in actual fact we now know that 'we' means every single Jew worldwide. Nazi Germany thought the same, chilling eh? Israel certainly needs defending. As for the people who seem to approve of the massacre and the subsequent firing of rockets at Israel from that time forward, it can only believed that anti semitism is alive and well.

GrannyGravy13

The main difference between the Israeli State and Hamas/Hezbollah/The Houthis is Israel has built a defence system to protect its citizens, whilst the terrorists have built tunnels in order to protect the terrorists, and stuff the civilian population …

In a nutshell, Grannygravy13.

Jaberwok

Gist of quote from Golda Meir: 'If the Arabs put down their weapons we could all live in peace, if we (Israelis) put down our weapons, we will all be murdered'. Slight correction, by 'we,' I think she meant Israelis, when in actual fact we now know that 'we' means every single Jew worldwide. Nazi Germany thought the same, chilling eh? Israel certainly needs defending. As for the people who seem to approve of the massacre and the subsequent firing of rockets at Israel from that time forward, it can only believed that anti semitism is alive and well.

I don't believe that many people approve of the massacre or the firing of rockets at Israel.

What do you think Israel's end game is?

During the Second World War the Jews were persecuted but put up little or no opposition. They did not group together and fight and indeed they were not in a position to fight back. Never again. Now if people attack they will fight back tooth and nail rather than let people walk all over them and take away what was hard won. Hezbollah and Hamas and their ilk would love to wipe them off the face of the earth. Do you think they should make peace with people like this ?

What do you think Israel's end game is?

A safe and secure home, free from threats and persecution, in their traditional land of thousands of years. A land from which they have been driven on more than one occasion.

That seems quite reasonable.

Israel probably doesn't have an end game as such. However Israel is well aware of world wide hostility both to this country, and more scarily, Jews in particular. As has been said Jews have been systematically targeted for centuries, notably the 20th. The homeland for Jews has been hard fought for, with blood sweat and tears a plenty, they will fight to the last person standing to protect themselves, and I wholeheartedly support them.

A safe and secure home sums it up perfectly Allira.

Israel's plan is initially, survival, followed by a safe and secure homeland for all Israelis.

All Jews worldwide I think.

Am afraid many ordinary Israelis/Jewish people globally are not in favour of Netanyahu or how he has caused yet more hostility in the countries surrounding Israel, goaded Iran in order for western allies, namely the US, to get involved, and left the hostages high and dry. At no point has Netanyahu wanted a ceasefire or to call for peace despite Hamas and Hezbollah coming round the table in Qatar, the US and UN are at the end of their tethers.
At some point, no matter who has done what, these people have to get round a table and hammer it out, war was Netanyahus get out of jail free card with the Israeli people, now they have to stand by him. But this can’t go on. And those of you who won’t settle for anything other than obliteration of all Israel’s enemies should be aware that very soon western governments will have to send our own armed forces out there.
And in any case Israel cannot get rid of all its enemies, for every terrorist they kill ten more who have lost their families and homes will take up arms.
This has ever been the way.

And those of you who won’t settle for anything other than obliteration of all Israel’s enemies

Who do you mean exactly by those of you?

It's not a case of one or the other, taking sides as far as I am concerned.

Hyperbole.

Allira

^And those of you who won’t settle for anything other than obliteration of all Israel’s enemies^

Who do you mean exactly by those of you?

It's not a case of one or the other, taking sides as far as I am concerned.

Did I refer to you?
This is a much wider concern than a thread on Gransnet, and tbh nobody cares what we have to say.
I am talking more generally, there are plenty of warmongers out there who as ever are happy to agitate and goad other players in the region. But we should, all of us, be careful not to let this colour our opinions in any way.
A ceasefire on all sides and an attempt at peace is the only way forwards for anyone.

Babs03

Allira

And those of you who won’t settle for anything other than obliteration of all Israel’s enemies

Who do you mean exactly by those of you?

It's not a case of one or the other, taking sides as far as I am concerned.

Did I refer to you?
This is a much wider concern than a thread on Gransnet, and tbh nobody cares what we have to say.
I am talking more generally, there are plenty of warmongers out there who as ever are happy to agitate and goad other players in the region. But we should, all of us, be careful not to let this colour our opinions in any way.
A ceasefire on all sides and an attempt at peace is the only way forwards for anyone.

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No, I knew you couldn't mean me in particular.

But in a post on a smallish social media site stating those of you one would assume the word you might be addressing other members of that group.

A poor choice of words, perhaps.

Today ( Thursday ) our government has issued a warning that all Australians need to get out of Lebanon immediately because the airport is likely to close. Fine if you can get a flight but sadly many can’t. We can only pray that things settle down but I don’t think so.

Jaberwok

Israel probably doesn't have an end game as such. However Israel is well aware of world wide hostility both to this country, and more scarily, Jews in particular. As has been said Jews have been systematically targeted for centuries, notably the 20th. The homeland for Jews has been hard fought for, with blood sweat and tears a plenty, they will fight to the last person standing to protect themselves, and I wholeheartedly support them.

Anybody going into this kind of war needs an endgame. At the moment, it seems that Israel won't stop until Gaza and the West Bank have been emptied of Palestinians and enough Lebanese territory occupied to secure the northern border.

@growstuff, looks like it.
Indeed the aim to get rid of Hamas or Hezbollah is a vain hope, and Bibi knows this, terrorism is organic, growing whenever the seeds of hate and despair are sown, and whether they call themselves Hamas or Hezbollah is irrelevant, they will continue to proliferate against Israel.
Gaza and the West Bank will be secured as Israeli territory, the North of Lebanon will be militarised, and conflicts will continue sporadically.
This will not ensure safety and a peaceful solution in the region.
Oh and we must add the tally the fact that Lebanon, on its knees before all this, will become a third world country teetering on the edge of complete collapse, and without any help from western nations.
Right now my OH has relatives in Lebanon who have run for the mountains with whomever they could take with them, but they are not safe, and soon the mountains get cold with winter approaching.
Nobody gives a damn.
That a lesson the Lebanese learned a long time ago. The oft repeated mantra there is ‘if Israel is happy we are safe.’

Sorry typos there but I think my post is pretty clear.

Babs03 If Israel is happy we are safe

How on earth can Israel be happy whilst on the receiving end of rockets fired on it every day from Hezbollah?

Thank goodness it has the Iron Dome System or it would be flattened.