Thousands stuck in Lebanon

growstuff on the contrary, Israeli intelligence must have been very strong to contemplate bombing an embassy. Why would Israel want all the flack surrounding this if not to stop safe places from being used for terrorists. And this Revolutionary Guard Corps has been designated terrorist like it or not. Sends out a clear signal doesn’t it?

However the baying crowds in Iran that I see on news programmes are clearly a very different type

We don't know do we? We are the victims of propaganda. Scenes of women handing out sweets and celebrating ,for example are often done under duress. People are threatened or paid to behave in a ceratin way.

None of us ( with one or 2 exeptions) know do we?

Just like we don't know about refugees ripping up documents. Its all hearsay and mind games.

ronib

Growstuff according to Wiki - 8 Officers of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were killed in the embassy and this group ensure the integrity of the Islamic Republic. So why were they in the embassy in the first place?

The same reason that people meet in embassies. They're supposed to be private and secure. It's nobody's business to know.

Interesting information whether accurate is another question -
Hezbollah
In 2017 Janes estimated 20k full time and 20k reservists. Financed partly by Iran and trained by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.
Hamas
20 to 30k.
Israel
169500 active personnel
465k reservists

Growstuff according to Wiki - 8 Officers of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were killed in the embassy and this group ensure the integrity of the Islamic Republic. So why were they in the embassy in the first place?

What we also have to look at is the existential threat of Hamas, Hezbollah or even Iran against Israel.
Firstly Hamas and Hezbollah are groups of no more than a few thousand men at the most, relying mainly upon missiles and guns supplied on an ad hoc fashion by Iran, with Israel now making any supply of further arms virtually impossible. They rely upon guerilla warfare, they have no state of the art weaponry, no high tech drones etc., they have no armies with tanks and aircraft. Israel has one of the biggest armies in the ME with the most cutting edge weaponry supplied by the west. And they have nukes.
Iran has arms but little appetite for war despite the rhetoric, after years of crippling sanctions the country is on its knees and the regime know that a bloody war could cause the people to turn against them and so initiate regime change.
So Israel are fighting David rather than Goliath and the present narrative about an existential threat to Israel is complete hyperbole. As one commenter recently said ‘good job Israel has an iron dome.’ Perhaps we should just think about that for a moment whilst considering that nobody they are presently bombing to bits has this.

I agree. And Iran probably expected retaliation. But the same could be said of Israel. After decades of brutally repressing, imprisoning, and killing Palestinians, as well as illegally taking their land, there had to be retaliation.
This isn’t a one way street, we can’t support Israel for retaliating against its enemies without at the same time recognising why the Palestinians turned to violence.

Freya5

growstuff

ronib

Babs03 isn’t it time that Iran received an unequivocal message - like butt out of this conflict? I think that’s the message which will go forward to stop even more innocent people dying. Quite frankly who cares what Iran and America think of each other? What has that got to do with Israel?

How do you think Iran should have responded to the bombing by Israel of the Iranian consulate in Damascus on 1 April, which killed at least 11 people?

Seeing as Iran have been supplying and encouraging the Houthis to bomb Israel, it should have come as no surprise to them. Now they play the victim.
Live by the sword etc.

By that reasoning, I assume you would justify attacking the suppliers of arms to Israel.

ronib

growstuff 1992 Buenos Aires embassy bombing.
Since we’re not dealing with the Women’s Institute, I have no idea how anyone should respond to anything.
Damascus bombing of Iranian embassy- 16 killed. Iran retaliated. Israel claimed the embassy was used for purposes other than that of an embassy. One member of Hezbollah killed.

I think you mean Iranian officer, not Hezbollah. Of course Iran retaliated, although very half-heartedly. And you think they should butt out.

growstuff

ronib

Babs03 isn’t it time that Iran received an unequivocal message - like butt out of this conflict? I think that’s the message which will go forward to stop even more innocent people dying. Quite frankly who cares what Iran and America think of each other? What has that got to do with Israel?

How do you think Iran should have responded to the bombing by Israel of the Iranian consulate in Damascus on 1 April, which killed at least 11 people?

Seeing as Iran have been supplying and encouraging the Houthis to bomb Israel, it should have come as no surprise to them. Now they play the victim.
Live by the sword etc.

Also Quds forces killed.

growstuff 1992 Buenos Aires embassy bombing.
Since we’re not dealing with the Women’s Institute, I have no idea how anyone should respond to anything.
Damascus bombing of Iranian embassy- 16 killed. Iran retaliated. Israel claimed the embassy was used for purposes other than that of an embassy. One member of Hezbollah killed.

ronib

Babs03 isn’t it time that Iran received an unequivocal message - like butt out of this conflict? I think that’s the message which will go forward to stop even more innocent people dying. Quite frankly who cares what Iran and America think of each other? What has that got to do with Israel?

How do you think Iran should have responded to the bombing by Israel of the Iranian consulate in Damascus on 1 April, which killed at least 11 people?

maddyfour

eggplant

I think I'm right in saying Iran and Iraq are very different places in terms of culture, language and just about everything. I'm ashamed to say, many years ago all I knew of Iran were images of ranting bearded men. Then I met my neighbours and broadened my outlook.

The Iranians I have met, who are living in this country, are lovely, cultured people. However the baying crowds in Iran that I see on news programmes are clearly a very different type.

I could say the same of my own friends in this country and pictures of the recent riots in Southport and elsewhere.

PS. Some of the baying crowds in Iran were protesting against the treatment of women and were later executed.

eggplant

I think I'm right in saying Iran and Iraq are very different places in terms of culture, language and just about everything. I'm ashamed to say, many years ago all I knew of Iran were images of ranting bearded men. Then I met my neighbours and broadened my outlook.

The Iranians I have met, who are living in this country, are lovely, cultured people. However the baying crowds in Iran that I see on news programmes are clearly a very different type.

Floradora9

growstuff

eggplant

I think I'm right in saying Iran and Iraq are very different places in terms of culture, language and just about everything. I'm ashamed to say, many years ago all I knew of Iran were images of ranting bearded men. Then I met my neighbours and broadened my outlook.

Iranians aren't Arabs for a start.

Lebanese people do not class themselves as Arabs either .

I know that Lebanese Christians, who make up about a third of the population of Lebanon, don't identify as Arabs, but I'm not sure about the Muslims in Lebanon. Genetically, they are Arabs. However, it's complicated. Many Jews share their DNA with Arabs, but they certainly wouldn't identify as Arabs.

growstuff

eggplant

I think I'm right in saying Iran and Iraq are very different places in terms of culture, language and just about everything. I'm ashamed to say, many years ago all I knew of Iran were images of ranting bearded men. Then I met my neighbours and broadened my outlook.

Iranians aren't Arabs for a start.

Lebanese people do not class themselves as Arabs either .

ronib

Babs03 isn’t it time that Iran received an unequivocal message - like butt out of this conflict? I think that’s the message which will go forward to stop even more innocent people dying. Quite frankly who cares what Iran and America think of each other? What has that got to do with Israel?

Unfortunately, the leaders of Iran and the US care - and they're the ones in control.

It doesn't have much to do with Israel (or Lebanon or Gaza or Yemen), which is why it's called a proxy war. It's about using puppets to fight wars on your behalf.

Babs03 isn’t it time that Iran received an unequivocal message - like butt out of this conflict? I think that’s the message which will go forward to stop even more innocent people dying. Quite frankly who cares what Iran and America think of each other? What has that got to do with Israel?

As I have said Iran isn’t fighting this war simply to save the Palestinians and Lebanese people from the scourges of an IDF onslaught but to give an unequivocal message to the US.
My worry is that Israel has nukes and Netanyahu could be gung-ho enough to use them on Iran.

No, Iranians are not Arabs, but Indo-European, and the Kurds who live in Iran,Iraq, Turkey, and Syria are also Indo-European. Indeed Arab nations have often been their worst enemies, proved in recent history when Saddam went to war with Iran.
Is also true that despite accepting arms from Iran both Hamas and Hezbollah often make derogatory comments about Iran and ordinary Palestinians have conflicted opinions about them, many now are calling for Iran to back off. Tbh Palestinian mercenaries fought against at Iran in the Iran/Iraq war and many still lionise Saddam so this region really is a can of worms inside a can of worms.

Thank You growstuff, I did know that. The Persian culture and language is of course entirely unique.

eggplant

I think I'm right in saying Iran and Iraq are very different places in terms of culture, language and just about everything. I'm ashamed to say, many years ago all I knew of Iran were images of ranting bearded men. Then I met my neighbours and broadened my outlook.

Iranians aren't Arabs for a start.

I think I'm right in saying Iran and Iraq are very different places in terms of culture, language and just about everything. I'm ashamed to say, many years ago all I knew of Iran were images of ranting bearded men. Then I met my neighbours and broadened my outlook.

Thanks for that Babs03. You're right about Iraq - I got that wrong. The point really is that it's not a straightforward religious conflict. Lebanon, Gaza (and Yemen) are proxies for the Iran-Israel conflict.