Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

petra

eggplant

GrannyGravy13

Babs03

Well the last government had all the time they were in opposition to prepare and then 14 years in government.

And every plan they came up with was thwarted…

People stopping planes taking off with foreign criminals preventing them from being deported.

Clergy giving lessons in Christianity in order for Muslim asylum seekers to get leave to remain…

Do you really believe that the government of the UK could have been thwarted by a few leftie lawyers and bimbling old priests?

I think not.

They did not come up with a cohesive ,transparent plan, they did not work within Europe, they preferred the Rwanda nonsense and todying to the rabid right wingers.

Just for you, eggplant.
He could very well be living very close to you.

www.thepublica.com/african-rapist-allowed-to-remain-in-uk-after-arguing-that-deportation-would-harm-his-mental-health/

So Petra - you are quoting an articile from a publication (The Publica) run by two high profile American YouTubers. They make a good living by posting inflammatory content for a range of different audiences, with scant regard to its accuracy. They just need enough people to click on their content and advertisers pay them handsomely for the number of clicks. They pretend to be providing a public service - they are just in it for the money and the 'celebrity' status.
The person they are talking about here is horrible. It appears to be someone who raped a stranger on her way home and received a 15 year prison sentence with minimum 10 years behind bars and further 5 years on licence. She was an adult though - he was technically not a paedophile. I am not sure this makes him any less vile - but the story would probably not get quite as much attention.
He had previously been granted asylum in the UK on the grounds that he had left Eritrea to avoid being drafted into the army there and he would be at risk of being tortured as a draft dodger if he was returned there.
The government sought to overturn this to be able to deport him, but the ruling was overturned. The issue of him being at risk of suicide was not taken into account in the judgement. He has not been allowed to stay after arguing that deportation would harm his mental health - but because he might be tortured if he was returned. But that wouldn't make such a good headline either.
The other horrible man mentioned in the article (Anicet Mayela) raped a 15 year old girl and is due to be sentenced next month. He was granted right to remain 14 years ago.
We know very well where both of these foul men are - and not living anywhere near Eggplant because they are incarcerated.
It's not wrong to want to protect our families and our communities from bad people - but acting on the basis of inaccurate information doesn't get us anywhere - that's what happened in Stockport.....

The solution is in the boats. Where are all these boats coming from? A census should be taken of all boats and owners, and the whereabouits of the craftts should be checked on regularly. Boats should be licensed no matter what their size, and severe fines imposed for non-licensing. If you make a boat you should have to give a good reason for its existence; finally all boats should be marked with a logo clearly visible from the air, to signify that they are licensed. If you sell a boat or even a rubber dinghywithout establishing the name of the buyer you would be committing an offence. I don't know where these boats leaving France for the UK come from, but it seems extremely lax not to control their ownership, in view of the multiple drownings they are responsible for.

Me neither HPQ. We get a lot of students wanting to register at the uni surgery. They have to provide proof that they are students, that they are studying at the uni in order to be registered

FriedGreenTomatoes2

There’s a notice up in our doctor’s surgery nanna8 it states “no ID necessary to be seen by a doctor”.

Come one come all it seems.
We offer too much. It’s definitely a pull factor in the UK.
France offers very little by comparison and they think we are too generous.

Until the powers that be get a grip we just have to put up with it.

but we don't need ID to be seen by a GP at my surgery. You only get seen if you have a booked appointment, and only get the booked appointment if you are a registered patient at the practice, so I don't understand (a) what your local practice means by the sign and (b) what point you are trying to make.

silverlining48

That is simply not true. According to the UK governments own figures the UK take lower numbers of refugees than average and are 17 th on the list of countries .
Not top. Nowhere near.

Well done pointing that out!
The talk of immigrants always seem to be about illegal immigrant crossing the channel on dinghies.Not legal immigrants or asylum seekers.
Our NHS wouldn’t work at all without immigrant labour.

Maybe Reeves should havè been given that job to sort instead of robbing UK Citizens

Yes, I read in French newspapers that couriers bring the boats down from storage in Belgium and Holland. The traffickers themselves therefore avoid being intercepted.

springishere

Who manufactures the boats, and where in France are they stored? Find these and destroy them.

Checked that out:

"Where do smugglers get their boats from?
They have primarily been operating from Belgium, France, Germany, the Netherlands and the UK. Inflatable boats and engines were often purchased in Germany and the Netherlands and then transported to departure points along the French and Belgian coast"

I doubt there is any kind of central distribution point, the smugglers will carry them in extremely small numbers to avoid detection.

Labour overall plans border security:

www.ein.org.uk/news/minister-details-plans-speed-migrant-returns-and-strengthen-border-security

snippets:

"The Border Security Command is led by the Border Security Commander, who answers to the Home Secretary; the office is currently held by Martin Hewitt,who was appointed as Border Security Commander in September 2024, by the Home Secretary"

"Up to £75 million in new investment for the Border Security Command paves way for an autumn immigration crime crackdown"
(Labour is increasing capacity at last for assessing AS, and have recently come to fresh agreements within Europe for tackling smuggling gangs.)

"Thirteen bespoke returns flights have now departed since we took office on 5 July, returning individuals to a range of countries including Albania, Poland, Romania, Vietnam and Timor-Leste.

Those returned have no legal right to be in the UK and include foreign criminals, failed asylum seekers and other immigration offenders.

More than 400 people with no right to be here were flown to one destination country, with more than 200 leaving on a single flight – the largest number of people ever returned on a flight".

Who manufactures the boats, and where in France are they stored? Find these and destroy them.

eggplant

I wonder if anybody has any experience of talking to people who have enjoyed the fruits of being " offered too much"?

Or perhaps they have visited where they live and seen how they live?

I have.
Two are Albanians living here since the war in Bosnia. Both claimed to be Kosovans. Both allowed to stay. Both carrying false papers. And I have visited Albania.
I lived in Bulgaria for 5 years. In that time I employed many Roma. A few of them were coming and going back to the uk for nefarious reasons.

The govt seem to be very quiet on illegal immigration with the result that we are being flooded with these people. At least the threat of the Rwanda plan seemed to deter people whereas now the country seems to be open to all and sundry. The LP have no excuse for not having formulated a plan to deter/stop this mass immigration before coming to power.
If there was a settled opposition perhaps questions would be asked in Parliament and the govt would actually be forced into doing something to halt this.

Frenchgalinspain hear, hear👏👏👏

The trouble about this migrant problem is that many of these poor people cannot be turned back to a "safe country" because the countries they have left cannot be considered safe by even the least critical definition.

Then there are those , whose country of birth is perhaps safe in as much as it is not war-torn, or ruled by a despotic dictator, but it cannot provide the young with jobs they can earn a living doing, and many of them face actual starvation.

So,let us face the real problem: closing our borders, or smashing the gangs, whoever you mean by this, but presumably those offering to sail people at extortionate cost to a European country, is not going to solve the problem.

Nor are camps in Rwanda or anywhere else, and while we are being honest, how do these camps differ from the refugee camps that are part of the problem in the Middle East? And when will they dengenerate into concentration and extermination camps, if we contenance them? And please remember that both the UN and EU have ruled them unethical and illegal!

So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Why don't we start by acknowledging that we cannot leave this problem to SOMEONE ELSE - the Reader's Digest publish her obituary in the 1960s or 1970s?

It is that other mythical figure, Everyone's problem. Meaning both the problem of the migrants' birthplaces, which, rightly or wrongly, claim not to be able to afford to solve it themselves, and of all the countries these poor people try to reach, plus at times, also the migrants' own fault in part, as they leave home naively believing that things will be better elsewhere, without having looked at the facts, and often too, without having really tried to solve whichever problem is really causing them not to be able to live at home.

It is a long list of things we will need to sort out to make a better, fairer world and a hard task, but it will not be solved by complaining, or leaving it to some other country to deal with. Or b****ing about it being the responsiblity of the political party you don't support or vote for!

Spain is overwhelmed with African & Asian Migrants .. as well as Ukrainians (majority are female and children), Palestinians and surely Lebanese are headed over to France.

It is truly a difficult issue worldwide. Australia and New Zealand as well have migrations issues.

It hurts to see women and children deported close to Algeria and Sub Sahara without food, without cell mobile phones, withour shoes and without water ..

These acts of deportation by the E.U. are cruel !!

This is no longer 1 country´s problem.

It is a worldwide issue that requires government officials, humane charities, The United Nations etcetra. to find solutions for Asylum seeking, homing and safety of these poor souls.

My viewpoint.

NOT all Migrants are criminals. The majority are escaping from cruelty, starvation, illnesses amongst other horrendous atrocities.

HousePlantQueen

How on earth do you think ID cards will stop vulnerable migrants and others being exploited by under the radar employers? Massive employers such as McDonalds seem unable/unwilling to check that all of their employees are legal in terms of age, residency, DBS etc, let alone make salary payments to the correct bank accounts.

It's not just employers that need proof someone is entitled to be given a job by them - there are a variety of other places that also need this.

Years (decades!) back I had to take in lodgers for the first few years of being a home-owner. I was a lot more naive than these days - so I had quite a variety of nationalities as lodgers over that period and I took it as read they were entitled to be here (ie they had come to Britain to study here legitimately). Until I took in a Turkish man at one point - who had told me he was studying at the university. Quite apart from the fact he turned out to be filthy/no sign of him ever doing any of his own housework I did notice he spent a lot of time (equating to a full-time job I would think) working for "spending money" at the local Turkish kebab place and I noticed that frequently. I never ever noticed any sign of him studying - going to the university/having textbooks on him etc. The combination of me seeing no evidence of studying whatsoever and something was clearly wrong there, his room got so dirty that I could literally smell it from the hallway and I realised he'd been up in my attic looking for something hard to put under his mattress and bringing it down with him!!!! meant I gave him instant notice to leave after a couple of months....as it was very clear all round by then there was something wrong and it was affecting me.

In hindsight - I'd have asked for proof he was studying and proof he was entitled to be here and never have taken him in in the first place. So yep....we do have "illegals" here trying to get things from us they are not entitled to have.

Then there was the Argentinian woman that had a minor accident one time - so I went off to A & E with her and explained what she needed (ie stitches) and that she was from Argentina (ie not a country in the European Union) and I expected her to be dealt with (which she was) and also expected her to be given a bill for her treatment (and she wasnt billed - so we landed up paying for it).

So - yep....we do need something for non-British people to use to prove they are entitled to whatever it is they are asking for and, if they are entitled they get it. If they're not entitled they don't get it.

too late,, we have already lost our previous way of life.

Undines, I so agree with you, we are in danger of losing our way of life, I dread to think what the situation is going to be like for our grandchildren.

Eggplant, not our fault though, and no one should be made to feel guilty.

I don't believe it's just gangs, nor do I believe we are being flooded with genuine refugees. Ireland is in an even worse position, 1,000s of single MEN of military age, these are economic migrants. Something else is going on and until we stop all the wokery and really listen to people (branded right wing) who are disturbed by this, we are in real danger of losing our way of life. I am all for helping the frightened and needy of all nationalities, but there is an argument for first helping our own people - those who are homeless, cannot afford good food, needing medical care etc. We are not a bottomless pit. As for this 'Labour' government - they are nothing like the proper Labour party of Michael Foot et al. Like I keep saying, we need to wake up.

There is an issue in Australia too, which they are attempting to address by clamping down significantly on people who overstay their visas. I’d like to see the research I requested, because I think the majority of people remaining in the UK illegally are in that category rather than boat migrants. This is interesting, and one measure the government could take is to ramp up the cost charged if people are caught overstaying visas.
www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/over-70-000-people-live-in-australia-illegally/103269812

How on earth do you think ID cards will stop vulnerable migrants and others being exploited by under the radar employers? Massive employers such as McDonalds seem unable/unwilling to check that all of their employees are legal in terms of age, residency, DBS etc, let alone make salary payments to the correct bank accounts.

I think some do work winterwhite. For friends/relatives - just under the radar. Cash in hand. Which is why we need ID cards (as in Europe).

nanna8

We have to prove who we are every time we visit the doctor and you can’t enrol your child in school unless you can prove where you live,if you are in that ‘zone’ and exactly who you are. We don’t have to show anything to buy food or clothes but you do if you stay in a hotel or motel. Just accepted, no one cares. No big deal.

It depends how you define prove who we are.
At the doctor's, we either have to sign in on a screen, giving our name, date of birth and address, or give the same information to the receptionist.
At school-
Parents have to provide their home address when they apply for a school place and their child’s birth certificate when they enrol them in reception at school.
All the details are held on SIMS, for instant verification questions.

I’m not sure about hotels, because we always book online. Nevertheless, we are always asked to supply details when we check in to make sure they match the reservation.

You now have to have proof of identity to vote.
You have to have a passport to travel to other countries, apart from those forming the UK, and even then you may need photographic evidence of who you are.

We might just as well have ID cards.

My only objection is that there are people out there who will know how to fiddle the system and that would undoubtedly include those who make money out of the boat people, enabling them to charge more for a document which might prove to be fraudulent if checked.
(Australia is good a checking passports for fraud)

I wonder if anybody has any experience of talking to people who have enjoyed the fruits of being " offered too much"?

Or perhaps they have visited where they live and seen how they live?