Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

Send to the underpopulated areas like Scotland who like to receive them and welcome them .

Nothing I say will make any difference so just best to get on with my own life and accept that our government, both now and the last one, are happy with the situation.

silverlining48

That is simply not true. According to the UK governments own figures the UK take lower numbers of refugees than average and are 17 th on the list of countries .
Not top. Nowhere near.

Rubbish.

eggplant

Sarnia

Let's hope for a very stormy winter to deter sailing!

Dear me, what have we become.

I think the poster thinks that if the weather is very stormy, it may put off people attempting such a dangerous crossing.

I agree with her actually.

I don’t want to say the B word but it’s gone much worse since then, I suppose it was one of the benefits of being in the EU. They need to be processed through immigration and allowed to work until safe routes are developed.

That is simply not true. According to the UK governments own figures the UK take lower numbers of refugees than average and are 17 th on the list of countries .
Not top. Nowhere near.

silverlining48

I query the numbers someone posted up thread about the uk having the most immigrants. That simply can’t be right. We really do need to be careful of who is producing these numbers and what their interests might be in the matter.

Germany took in a million Syrian asylum seekers in 2016 alone, never mind the rest who have come in the intervening 8 years. Also if using numbers not from this most recent asylum increase, there is a large Turkish population which have been living there for many years.

As for being worried, the refugees I know in Germany are honest, hardworking, decent and very grateful to have been given safe haven in their new country. There are bad apples of course, we have plenty of our own home grown variety, but we can’t think that all or most Johnny foreigners are criminals. They are not.

On question time Zia Yusuf, chairman of the Reform party said that the UK takes more refugees per capita than other countries. He was shot down in flames by Fiona Bruce. However further into the programme, Fiona Bruce apologised as she had just been informed that Mr Yusuf was correct and the UK does take more refugees!

nanna8

Don’t you already have ID cards in the form of driving licences which have to be shown for certain things? If not licences you have to have photo ID don’t you ? To open bank accounts, go to certain eating places ( RSL) buy large items. Surely ?

No, many people do not drive or have passports, there’s no legal obligation.

For me, I have zero issues with ID cards, BUT certainly would not wish to be asked to show it every time I shopped/stayed in a UK Hotel/went into a restaurant/museum etc etc

Sounds very 1984!

nanna8

Don’t you already have ID cards in the form of driving licences which have to be shown for certain things? If not licences you have to have photo ID don’t you ? To open bank accounts, go to certain eating places ( RSL) buy large items. Surely ?

Yes, ID is needed for opening a bank account and such, but posters such as BigLouis were suggesting that ID cards should be shown when anyone needs medical services, education, buy food etc., a very different scenario and one which I want no part of.

silverlining48

I query the numbers someone posted up thread about the uk having the most immigrants. That simply can’t be right. We really do need to be careful of who is producing these numbers and what their interests might be in the matter.

Germany took in a million Syrian asylum seekers in 2016 alone, never mind the rest who have come in the intervening 8 years. Also if using numbers not from this most recent asylum increase, there is a large Turkish population which have been living there for many years.

As for being worried, the refugees I know in Germany are honest, hardworking, decent and very grateful to have been given safe haven in their new country. There are bad apples of course, we have plenty of our own home grown variety, but we can’t think that all or most Johnny foreigners are criminals. They are not.

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Sorry that should read “don’t recall”, not “do recall”

(Edit button for bumblers like myself!)

Don’t you already have ID cards in the form of driving licences which have to be shown for certain things? If not licences you have to have photo ID don’t you ? To open bank accounts, go to certain eating places ( RSL) buy large items. Surely ?

Syracute

Rwanda would never have worked . That much is clear if you looked at it in detail . Just something to appease and not a viable solution . Plus insanely expensive .

You are so right.

I do recall anyone here suggesting that criminals without leave to remain should stay here, they should definitely be sent back from whence they came.

However, those saying this is a worldwide issue are so right, and it takes almost the entire world to come to mutually acceptable solutions to this, which work, are humane and are cost effective.

meddijess

They are doubling the size of the immigration processing centre near us. The place is shrouded in secrecy - used to be a Fire Service training establishment. It is now impossible to see inside. There are never any signs of life, and I wonder when migrants are moved - at night?

I'm glad to hear that we are at last making moves to process people more quickly. It was failing so badly numbers built up because Rwanda was seen as The Answer and is clearly a priority!

As for secrecy at night etc well thats just weird - I presume its not yet open or fully open.

Eggplant, why might I need something from a pickpocket?

MaizieD

petra

there are 745,000 illegal migrants in the uk and counting.
People who manage sewage treatment plants dispute this figure.

This is intriguing, do tell us more, petra. Do they have some way of identifying the excreta of people who have arrived in the uk by 'illegal' means?

😂 No. it’s volume.

You need paper work to open a bank account, don’t you?

biglouis

*I wish we adopted ID cards as in Europe. Our ‘black economy’ facilitates under the radar malpractice. It’s definitely a pull factor for irregular migrants. We are too soft.*

Agree 100%

I would go further and make it impossible to access basic facilities (doctors/housing/education/ etc) without an ID card. No way to buy in shops, stay in hotels, exchange money, open a bank account and so forth.

That’s not fair. A lot of elderly rely on using cash- it’s not a crime to use paper money if that person chooses to do so

According to people here they are rapists and pick pockets.

Until of course, you might need something.

I query the numbers someone posted up thread about the uk having the most immigrants. That simply can’t be right. We really do need to be careful of who is producing these numbers and what their interests might be in the matter.

Germany took in a million Syrian asylum seekers in 2016 alone, never mind the rest who have come in the intervening 8 years. Also if using numbers not from this most recent asylum increase, there is a large Turkish population which have been living there for many years.

As for being worried, the refugees I know in Germany are honest, hardworking, decent and very grateful to have been given safe haven in their new country. There are bad apples of course, we have plenty of our own home grown variety, but we can’t think that all or most Johnny foreigners are criminals. They are not.

They are doubling the size of the immigration processing centre near us. The place is shrouded in secrecy - used to be a Fire Service training establishment. It is now impossible to see inside. There are never any signs of life, and I wonder when migrants are moved - at night?

biglouis

*I wish we adopted ID cards as in Europe. Our ‘black economy’ facilitates under the radar malpractice. It’s definitely a pull factor for irregular migrants. We are too soft.*

Agree 100%

I would go further and make it impossible to access basic facilities (doctors/housing/education/ etc) without an ID card. No way to buy in shops, stay in hotels, exchange money, open a bank account and so forth.

At the risk of using a common comparison, this is how Jews were treated in 1930s Germany. Do you really want someone in a uniform stopping you outside a shop and demanding to see your papers? Or do you consider yourself safe from this restriction as you are (I assume) a white woman?

pascal30

I think that with the state of the world that this is realistically the future for this country...

I too agree with the sentiments of pascal30! I have often thought as well that the world will soon be like the dystopian film 'Waterworld'.
I have never fe!t so worried for the future of my children & their little ones. 🤔

I had a discussion with a group of French people about school uniform the other day. One of them said she thought it was an infringement of personal liberty.
I said that they might be interested to know that many British people did not agree with ID cards because they think they infringe personal liberty. They were astonished and said, "Why on earth do they think that?"
(I agree with school uniform and ID cards).

Hopefully, we’ll see some effective measures soon that can lead to lasting change.