Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

Spain is overwhelmed with African & Asian Migrants .. as well as Ukrainians (majority are female and children), Palestinians and surely Lebanese are headed over to France.

It is truly a difficult issue worldwide. Australia and New Zealand as well have migrations issues.

It hurts to see women and children deported close to Algeria and Sub Sahara without food, without cell mobile phones, withour shoes and without water ..

These acts of deportation by the E.U. are cruel !!

This is no longer 1 country´s problem.

It is a worldwide issue that requires government officials, humane charities, The United Nations etcetra. to find solutions for Asylum seeking, homing and safety of these poor souls.

My viewpoint.

NOT all Migrants are criminals. The majority are escaping from cruelty, starvation, illnesses amongst other horrendous atrocities.

The trouble about this migrant problem is that many of these poor people cannot be turned back to a "safe country" because the countries they have left cannot be considered safe by even the least critical definition.

Then there are those , whose country of birth is perhaps safe in as much as it is not war-torn, or ruled by a despotic dictator, but it cannot provide the young with jobs they can earn a living doing, and many of them face actual starvation.

So,let us face the real problem: closing our borders, or smashing the gangs, whoever you mean by this, but presumably those offering to sail people at extortionate cost to a European country, is not going to solve the problem.

Nor are camps in Rwanda or anywhere else, and while we are being honest, how do these camps differ from the refugee camps that are part of the problem in the Middle East? And when will they dengenerate into concentration and extermination camps, if we contenance them? And please remember that both the UN and EU have ruled them unethical and illegal!

So, what are we going to do about the problem?

Why don't we start by acknowledging that we cannot leave this problem to SOMEONE ELSE - the Reader's Digest publish her obituary in the 1960s or 1970s?

It is that other mythical figure, Everyone's problem. Meaning both the problem of the migrants' birthplaces, which, rightly or wrongly, claim not to be able to afford to solve it themselves, and of all the countries these poor people try to reach, plus at times, also the migrants' own fault in part, as they leave home naively believing that things will be better elsewhere, without having looked at the facts, and often too, without having really tried to solve whichever problem is really causing them not to be able to live at home.

It is a long list of things we will need to sort out to make a better, fairer world and a hard task, but it will not be solved by complaining, or leaving it to some other country to deal with. Or b****ing about it being the responsiblity of the political party you don't support or vote for!

Frenchgalinspain hear, hear👏👏👏

The govt seem to be very quiet on illegal immigration with the result that we are being flooded with these people. At least the threat of the Rwanda plan seemed to deter people whereas now the country seems to be open to all and sundry. The LP have no excuse for not having formulated a plan to deter/stop this mass immigration before coming to power.
If there was a settled opposition perhaps questions would be asked in Parliament and the govt would actually be forced into doing something to halt this.

eggplant

I wonder if anybody has any experience of talking to people who have enjoyed the fruits of being " offered too much"?

Or perhaps they have visited where they live and seen how they live?

I have.
Two are Albanians living here since the war in Bosnia. Both claimed to be Kosovans. Both allowed to stay. Both carrying false papers. And I have visited Albania.
I lived in Bulgaria for 5 years. In that time I employed many Roma. A few of them were coming and going back to the uk for nefarious reasons.

Who manufactures the boats, and where in France are they stored? Find these and destroy them.

Labour overall plans border security:

www.ein.org.uk/news/minister-details-plans-speed-migrant-returns-and-strengthen-border-security

snippets:

"The Border Security Command is led by the Border Security Commander, who answers to the Home Secretary; the office is currently held by Martin Hewitt,who was appointed as Border Security Commander in September 2024, by the Home Secretary"

"Up to £75 million in new investment for the Border Security Command paves way for an autumn immigration crime crackdown"
(Labour is increasing capacity at last for assessing AS, and have recently come to fresh agreements within Europe for tackling smuggling gangs.)

"Thirteen bespoke returns flights have now departed since we took office on 5 July, returning individuals to a range of countries including Albania, Poland, Romania, Vietnam and Timor-Leste.

Those returned have no legal right to be in the UK and include foreign criminals, failed asylum seekers and other immigration offenders.

More than 400 people with no right to be here were flown to one destination country, with more than 200 leaving on a single flight – the largest number of people ever returned on a flight".

springishere

Who manufactures the boats, and where in France are they stored? Find these and destroy them.

Checked that out:

"Where do smugglers get their boats from?
They have primarily been operating from Belgium, France, Germany, the Netherlands and the UK. Inflatable boats and engines were often purchased in Germany and the Netherlands and then transported to departure points along the French and Belgian coast"

I doubt there is any kind of central distribution point, the smugglers will carry them in extremely small numbers to avoid detection.

Yes, I read in French newspapers that couriers bring the boats down from storage in Belgium and Holland. The traffickers themselves therefore avoid being intercepted.

Maybe Reeves should havè been given that job to sort instead of robbing UK Citizens

silverlining48

That is simply not true. According to the UK governments own figures the UK take lower numbers of refugees than average and are 17 th on the list of countries .
Not top. Nowhere near.

Well done pointing that out!
The talk of immigrants always seem to be about illegal immigrant crossing the channel on dinghies.Not legal immigrants or asylum seekers.
Our NHS wouldn’t work at all without immigrant labour.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

There’s a notice up in our doctor’s surgery nanna8 it states “no ID necessary to be seen by a doctor”.

Come one come all it seems.
We offer too much. It’s definitely a pull factor in the UK.
France offers very little by comparison and they think we are too generous.

Until the powers that be get a grip we just have to put up with it.

but we don't need ID to be seen by a GP at my surgery. You only get seen if you have a booked appointment, and only get the booked appointment if you are a registered patient at the practice, so I don't understand (a) what your local practice means by the sign and (b) what point you are trying to make.

Me neither HPQ. We get a lot of students wanting to register at the uni surgery. They have to provide proof that they are students, that they are studying at the uni in order to be registered

The solution is in the boats. Where are all these boats coming from? A census should be taken of all boats and owners, and the whereabouits of the craftts should be checked on regularly. Boats should be licensed no matter what their size, and severe fines imposed for non-licensing. If you make a boat you should have to give a good reason for its existence; finally all boats should be marked with a logo clearly visible from the air, to signify that they are licensed. If you sell a boat or even a rubber dinghywithout establishing the name of the buyer you would be committing an offence. I don't know where these boats leaving France for the UK come from, but it seems extremely lax not to control their ownership, in view of the multiple drownings they are responsible for.

petra

eggplant

GrannyGravy13

Babs03

Well the last government had all the time they were in opposition to prepare and then 14 years in government.

And every plan they came up with was thwarted…

People stopping planes taking off with foreign criminals preventing them from being deported.

Clergy giving lessons in Christianity in order for Muslim asylum seekers to get leave to remain…

Do you really believe that the government of the UK could have been thwarted by a few leftie lawyers and bimbling old priests?

I think not.

They did not come up with a cohesive ,transparent plan, they did not work within Europe, they preferred the Rwanda nonsense and todying to the rabid right wingers.

Just for you, eggplant.
He could very well be living very close to you.

www.thepublica.com/african-rapist-allowed-to-remain-in-uk-after-arguing-that-deportation-would-harm-his-mental-health/

So Petra - you are quoting an articile from a publication (The Publica) run by two high profile American YouTubers. They make a good living by posting inflammatory content for a range of different audiences, with scant regard to its accuracy. They just need enough people to click on their content and advertisers pay them handsomely for the number of clicks. They pretend to be providing a public service - they are just in it for the money and the 'celebrity' status.
The person they are talking about here is horrible. It appears to be someone who raped a stranger on her way home and received a 15 year prison sentence with minimum 10 years behind bars and further 5 years on licence. She was an adult though - he was technically not a paedophile. I am not sure this makes him any less vile - but the story would probably not get quite as much attention.
He had previously been granted asylum in the UK on the grounds that he had left Eritrea to avoid being drafted into the army there and he would be at risk of being tortured as a draft dodger if he was returned there.
The government sought to overturn this to be able to deport him, but the ruling was overturned. The issue of him being at risk of suicide was not taken into account in the judgement. He has not been allowed to stay after arguing that deportation would harm his mental health - but because he might be tortured if he was returned. But that wouldn't make such a good headline either.
The other horrible man mentioned in the article (Anicet Mayela) raped a 15 year old girl and is due to be sentenced next month. He was granted right to remain 14 years ago.
We know very well where both of these foul men are - and not living anywhere near Eggplant because they are incarcerated.
It's not wrong to want to protect our families and our communities from bad people - but acting on the basis of inaccurate information doesn't get us anywhere - that's what happened in Stockport.....

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Can you dispute these official figures though?

“BRITAIN has more illegal migrants than any other European nation, a major study has found.

There are up to 745,000 illegal migrants in the UK, accounting for one in 100 of the population, according to the research led by Oxford University experts. This is more than double the 300,000 in France and ahead of the upper estimate of 700,000 in Germany, which has the second largest population of illegal migrants in Europe.

The figures were disclosed as the Home Office said 973 migrants in 17 small boats crossed the English Channel on Saturday, the biggest daily number so far this year,”

Yes - absolutely can dispute these figures because they are WRONG, WRONG and WRONG again.

This is what the Oxford University website actually says:

"Since the late 1990s, net migration to the UK has been rising and records regularly broken. The high-water mark was 745,000 in 2022 (originally reported by the Office for National Statistics as 606,000)."

745,000 was net migration in 2022 - this is the number of legal migrants arriving in the UK, less the number of people leaving. It is not a 'stock' of migrants and it is certainly not illegal migration.

This the website - it is very useful for people who want accurate information on UK migration.
www.migrationwatchuk.org/

It was set up to draw attention to the scale of legal migration, which is what is really putting pressure on our public services. Legal migration reached the highest levels ever seen in the UK under the previous Government. But that Government chose to distract people by focussing on illegal migration, especially from across the Channel.

petra

^there are 745,000 illegal migrants in the uk^ and counting.
People who manage sewage treatment plants dispute this figure.

Probably because this is the number that came legally in one year - 2022.

HousePlantQueen

FriedGreenTomatoes2

There’s a notice up in our doctor’s surgery nanna8 it states “no ID necessary to be seen by a doctor”.

Come one come all it seems.
We offer too much. It’s definitely a pull factor in the UK.
France offers very little by comparison and they think we are too generous.

Until the powers that be get a grip we just have to put up with it.

but we don't need ID to be seen by a GP at my surgery. You only get seen if you have a booked appointment, and only get the booked appointment if you are a registered patient at the practice, so I don't understand (a) what your local practice means by the sign and (b) what point you are trying to make.

GP practices can apply to provide an Enhanced Service to refugees and asylum seekers, and/or homeless people. They are paid a separate contract rate if they opt to do this, it is not compulsory.

The Rwanda plan was working. Migrants who arrived here in Ireland quoted it as the reason they left or skipped the U.K. to travel to Ireland. Labour moved too quickly to get rid of it without any alternative.

Trueloveways

I don’t want to say the B word but it’s gone much worse since then, I suppose it was one of the benefits of being in the EU. They need to be processed through immigration and allowed to work until safe routes are developed.

It is actually the opposite. We were so desperate for workers, especially in health and social care (and to maintain overseas student numbers) when Europeans returned home following Brexit, that the Government allowed each new migrant worker to bring in their dependents. In fairness, this is what the Brexit campaign actually said about migration - they didn't say they would reduce it but that we would have more choice about who came and from where. We have seen significant increases from Africa and the Indian sub-continent and reductions in Europeans. In 2020 there were approx 29,000 people working in the NHS who were nationals from African countries. By 2023, this figure was 59,000. Sadly, many of these countries cannot afford to loose their health professionals.
researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7783/CBP-7783.pdf

springishere

Who manufactures the boats, and where in France are they stored? Find these and destroy them.

They are produced in where else ( drum roll ) China 😡
From there to Turkey where the whole train takes off.
Storage places have been found in Germany, Holland and Belgium.
A few hours drive and they’re good to go.

Mcbab

The Rwanda plan was working. Migrants who arrived here in Ireland quoted it as the reason they left or skipped the U.K. to travel to Ireland. Labour moved too quickly to get rid of it without any alternative.

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Mollygo

Me neither HPQ. We get a lot of students wanting to register at the uni surgery. They have to provide proof that they are students, that they are studying at the uni in order to be registered

My French helpx student became sick and had to register with a doctors practice here. She returned to France more than 2 years ago and despite several attempts to get her taken off the list, appointments for vaccines and screening for her still drop through my letter box.
Apparently she has to take herself off the list and can't be contacted.
It makes me realise just how inaccurate the NHS statistics are.

mulberry7

The solution is in the boats. Where are all these boats coming from? A census should be taken of all boats and owners, and the whereabouits of the craftts should be checked on regularly. Boats should be licensed no matter what their size, and severe fines imposed for non-licensing. If you make a boat you should have to give a good reason for its existence; finally all boats should be marked with a logo clearly visible from the air, to signify that they are licensed. If you sell a boat or even a rubber dinghywithout establishing the name of the buyer you would be committing an offence. I don't know where these boats leaving France for the UK come from, but it seems extremely lax not to control their ownership, in view of the multiple drownings they are responsible for.

You forgot the Royal Yachting Association Day skipper certification.
And their radio licence.
And, as some of these ribs are over 80’ they are going into shipping regulations. Whole different ball game.
Other than that I can’t see a problem with your proposal.
Have you thought of submitting your ideas to the relevant authorities.
It could be the answer to this mammoth problem.
Meanwhile, back to the real world.

Do you believe anything they say now. All the hype they said the would do...but the only thing they have done is getting rid of winter fuel..That was a good idea wasn't it?!