Have the Conservatives signed their own death warrant?

The Tory centrist group TRG are refusing to back either candidate.

westendgirl

I believe that some Conservative M.P.s were using their vote tactically , voting to keep out a candidate rather than for a candidate, as they believed Cleverley was safely there. They got it very wrong.

Yes, this has been suggested by several political commentators. Yet another example of the Tories putting party before country or electorate

Neilspurgeon0

Whether a right wing leader of the rump left when Sunak clears the stage is good or bad fir Labour I have no real idea, but it is wonderful news for the Lib Dems and other centre left parties where the majority of swing voters tend to live when the big parties move to the extremes.

I see the task of the next Tory leader is to win back as many of those that voted Reform as possible, then they might form a government in 5 yrs, even if it is a coalition.

Whether a right wing leader of the rump left when Sunak clears the stage is good or bad fir Labour I have no real idea, but it is wonderful news for the Lib Dems and other centre left parties where the majority of swing voters tend to live when the big parties move to the extremes.

brummie

About 80% conservative ministers and over one third of Labour are Friends of Israel. Friends of Israel is funded by private donors from Spain, USA, Israel, France and Italy. In addition, Pro-Israel lobbyists donated to 13 out of 25 cabinet members since they were first elected to Parliament. Such egregious behaviour is a huge threat to democracy. The ministers involved have primary allegiance to Israel. Receipt of glasses and suits should indeed be challenged

It’s a contrast to all the anti- Semites out there is all I will say.

Funny no one believed him.
Both Jenrick and Badenoch have received freebies , in Jennrick’s case one was a huge donation from a former pornographer who strangely had his multi million planning application accepted afterwards. I trust those who are up in arms over clothes n specs will be equally vociferous against these freebie merchants.

spabbygirl

David49

Reading these posts the Tory supporting grans are doing an excellent job of rubbishing Starmer, they should stop reading the lies in the Tory press and think positive, he is trying to make UK fairer and better

I do agree, I think the loss of winter fuel pay for everyone is a good thing many don’t need it but it’s been a gift for the Tory press, they should perhaps have made the cut off at higher rate tax payers.

A good thing? Are you joking?
Well of pensioners don’t need it but plenty do, estimated at around a million people will be affected.
It was an abysmal thing for them to do and pretty much condemned by everyone including the unions.

Soon there will be a chance for a new leader to lay out their solutions for Prisons, NHS, Care, Pensions, so much else,

...........without taxing anymore?

In fact, iirc, Sunak actually promised 17 million in tax cuts in election pledges....

I don’t think that the DHSS has a computer system capable of working out which pensioners are higher tax payers. It would need to link in with Inland Revenue and that’s probably a step too far. Happy if anyone knows otherwise?

David49

Reading these posts the Tory supporting grans are doing an excellent job of rubbishing Starmer, they should stop reading the lies in the Tory press and think positive, he is trying to make UK fairer and better

I do agree, I think the loss of winter fuel pay for everyone is a good thing many don’t need it but it’s been a gift for the Tory press, they should perhaps have made the cut off at higher rate tax payers.

Picking the wrong leader is something the recent Conservatives are really good at being bad at! I guess they have had lots of practice. Voting tactically has once again back fired…… yes ‘the gift that keeps on giving…….. well said.

The Independent today quoted the "irascible" in an article titled

"Tory civil war erupts again less than two hours after MPs pivot to the hard right
Supporters of Robert Jenrick and Kemi Badenoch have already launched scathing attacks on each other"

"The barbs, exchanged in a BBC Radio interview less than two hours after Ms Badenoch and Mr Jenrick came first and second in the latest vote of the Conservative leadership race, defeating James Cleverly, put an end to Tory hopes that the leadership contest would not provoke more infighting.

South Holland and The Deeping MP Sir John said: “Robert has a much broader experience of government than Kemi. He is appealing and can unite the party. We don’t need an irascible leadership. We want a leadership that is emollient but principled.”

When Droitwich and Evesham MP Mr Huddleston was asked to respond to the suggestion that Ms Badenoch is “irascible”, he said: “Kemi can connect with lots of people. Her message is very different from the others. She starts from first principles and values that will unite all Conservatives. Other candidates have gone out there with very deep dive specific policies.”"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-civil-war-badenoch-jenrick-cleverly-b2626697.html

Reading these posts the Tory supporting grans are doing an excellent job of rubbishing Starmer, they should stop reading the lies in the Tory press and think positive, he is trying to make UK fairer and better

Doodledog (to avoid a long quote)

I think is fair enough to ask a poster "what are these" when they use the words, "quite probable re Alli.

undines

The 'tune' of Alli is his own vested interests which are quite probably many, varied and less than obvious. There is corruption all around. I do not believe Labour are any better than the Conservatives despite all the virtue signalling.

I don't want to be rude, but this says nothing at all . which vested interests have been served by his making donations to Labour? That they are 'many, quite varied and less than obvious' is supposition and unevidenced. this is in contrast to the corrupt deals done by the Tories that saw their donors get ridiculously lucrative contracts.

You may not believe that Labour are better than the Conservatives, but with due respect, that means nothing. Many people do believe that they are much better, which doesn't really matter either - it's results that count in politics, and we'll see what they are when they've been in power long enough.

orly

Trueloveways
As a Labour supporter the Conservatives at the moment are the gift that keeps on giving.
...and Labour are the gits which keep taking.
😂😂😂

Trueloveways

As a Labour supporter the Conservatives at the moment are the gift that keeps on giving.

...and Labour are the gits which keep taking.

Serve themselves right.

The thread relates to two parties in the UK Parliament.

Last sentence incomplete.
Receipt of glasses and suits should indeed be challenged but politicians who accept “gifts” from undisclosed donors-who support a regime carrying out atrocities in four different countries at the same time- should have no place in government.

But I'd suggest this belongs other/thread?

I was interested enough to do some googling brummie and found that the Labour friends of Israel is perhaps not quite what you seem to imply:

"Labour Friends of Israel (LFI) is a group in the Parliament of the United Kingdom that advocates a strong bilateral relationship between the United Kingdom and Israel,

and seeks to strengthen ties between the British Labour Party and the Israeli Labor Party (ie, not Likud/current war cabinet)

LFI says it supports

a two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, with Israel recognised and secure within its borders, and the establishment of a viable Palestinian state

About 80% conservative ministers and over one third of Labour are Friends of Israel. Friends of Israel is funded by private donors from Spain, USA, Israel, France and Italy. In addition, Pro-Israel lobbyists donated to 13 out of 25 cabinet members since they were first elected to Parliament. Such egregious behaviour is a huge threat to democracy. The ministers involved have primary allegiance to Israel. Receipt of glasses and suits should indeed be challenged

(Its an article by the Electoral Reform society, but has been reflected in newspaper articles today)

There are very strong indications that tactical voting was involved - and went terribly wrong re Cleverly. Here is an article by the

includes
www.electoral-reform.org.uk/surprising-conservative-leadership-vote-shows-that-voting-systems-matter/

"Did tactical voting strike?

The Conservative leadership contest starts with a series of First Past the Post ballots of all Conservative MPs. And just like when we are forced to use it in the general election, first past the post means that it is sometimes in your interest to vote for someone who isn’t your first choice.

If you were an MP who wanted Cleverly to win in the final contest among the party members, and you think he had a lead large enough to be able to be able to lose a few votes and still get through, you might be tempted to vote for the candidate you think he stood the best chance against.

Or for the candidate who was your second choice to ensure your least favourite didn’t win.

We can’t know what happened, but if this is what has happened, they have massively shot themselves in the foot"

The result was so very close - it only took a few.