Have the Conservatives signed their own death warrant?

As a Labour supporter the Conservatives at the moment are the gift that keeps on giving.

Yes, good.

I can't help thinking that the tory MPs were doing a bit of tactical voting as they don't trust the members but got the numbers wrong.

Doh! They have been getting figures wrong for a very long time, one way or another- hence the massive mess we are in!

Don't Party members (any Party) count as voters, M0n? Who else should choose the Party leader but members of that "club"? Isn't that what got Jeremy Corbyn elected as Party leader?

Trueloveways

As a Labour supporter the Conservatives at the moment are the gift that keeps on giving.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Trueloveways and lefthanded
Couldn’t agree more yay 👏

I hope they become really rightwing because it might push Labour into becoming more progressive..

Baggs

Don't Party members (any Party) count as voters, M0n? Who else should choose the Party leader but members of that "club"? Isn't that what got Jeremy Corbyn elected as Party leader?

And that went so well.

It might suit the conservative party membership, but even that's a bit of a puzzle. A lot of them will have voted for the likes of Ken Clark, John Major, Michael Heseltine, so if these 2 candidates are what they want now, that's quite some shift to the right.

valdavi

It might suit the conservative party membership, but even that's a bit of a puzzle. A lot of them will have voted for the likes of Ken Clark, John Major, Michael Heseltine, so if these 2 candidates are what they want now, that's quite some shift to the right.

It’s not a case of what we want it’s a case of these are the two foisted on the membership by the current cohort of Conservative MP’s

Baggs

Don't Party members (any Party) count as voters, M0n? Who else should choose the Party leader but members of that "club"? Isn't that what got Jeremy Corbyn elected as Party leader?

Yes, but they are a very small proportion of the number of votes, and seats, the Conservatives need to win to get into government again.

Every party has a wide range of views from right to left. At election time it needs to get votes from as many people as possible, vear to either end of the spectrum and you are sunk. Surely that was one lesson that should be learned from the disaster that was Jeremy Corbyn. Beloved by so many in his party, but a disaster as a Parliamentry leader and a disaster in the election.

I can see why parties want to involve their members, but perhaps they should be moved to the start of the process rather than the end. Perhaps vote for a shortlist of 8 and then leave the parliamentary party who understand how the House of Commons works and what is needed of a leader in that bear pit, to decide which of those 8 would be best in the job.

Trueloveways

As a Labour supporter the Conservatives at the moment are the gift that keeps on giving.

Actually, it is the Labour Party at present that is the gift that keeps on giving.
Starmer, Rayner and Miliband, closely followed by Reeves and Phillipson, all dancing to Waheed Alli's tune.

Well said, eazybee - the hypocrisy and freeloading is beyond belief.

Labour are there in power five years eazybee, so I don’t think they need to worry. This is good news for them.
There are other parties who will be all too happy and willing to lead the opposition if the Tories can’t regroup under a leader that renders them electable. I doubt that leader will be either Jenrick or Badenoch myself, they are not likely to be what the centre ground voters are looking for.

The Tories continue on their path of self destruction. They were generally replaced by Labour and LibDem MPs so to be heading towards Reform policies shows a massive lack of awareness.

all dancing to Waheed Alli's tune

eazybee what ‘tune’ would that be?

HousePlantQueen

The Tories continue on their path of self destruction. They were generally replaced by Labour and LibDem MPs so to be heading towards Reform policies shows a massive lack of awareness.

That's how I see it. Labour is centre left(ish). Reform is hard right. That leaves the Old Conservative centre right ground up for grabs. Not appealing to that demographic seems suicidal for the Tories - they will lose support from those who don't want to vote Labour to the Lib Dems.

Casdon

Labour are there in power five years eazybee, so I don’t think they need to worry. This is good news for them.
There are other parties who will be all too happy and willing to lead the opposition if the Tories can’t regroup under a leader that renders them electable. I doubt that leader will be either Jenrick or Badenoch myself, they are not likely to be what the centre ground voters are looking for.

I don’t think we can judge at the mo if it’s good news for Labour or bad. If those who voted Reform were to switch allegiance to Conservatives as they liked the new Leader then that could spell disaster for Labour. It’s a big IF at this point in time.
What’s worrying is that in polls now the Conservatives are only one point behind Labour😲
How a new Labour government could have got things so wrong within a few months is mind boggling.

I think it’s fair to say it’s good news for Labour that the candidates are both from the right Oreo, because they won’t be fighting for those seats anyway. As Alastair Campbell put it ‘Cleverly out. Labour gain.’
Labour’s current poor rating also has no bearing on an internal vote for a new Tory leader.

But a poor rating at this particular time is just so unusual and shows they’re getting things wrong.Hope it improves very soon.
Five years seems very far away tho doesn’t it?
Time for some shut eye I think and some pleasant dreams all round😃

It’s not unusual, the Blair government went through a very similar period within six months of being elected, because of the Bernie Ecclestone affair, there were calls for him to resign, ratings plummeted etc. I can’t remember what was happening in the Tory party at the time, but I suspect they were going through a tough patch when John Major went, just like now. What goes around comes around.

eazybee

Trueloveways

As a Labour supporter the Conservatives at the moment are the gift that keeps on giving.

Actually, it is the Labour Party at present that is the gift that keeps on giving.
Starmer, Rayner and Miliband, closely followed by Reeves and Phillipson, all dancing to Waheed Alli's tune.

Well put eazybee.

We still haven’t heard what tune he is supposed to be playing.