One Nation Conservatives

Fleurpepper

'I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I think FGT2 has written in the past that she supports Reform.'

yes, so can see no reason why a message stating this was deleted. Ah well, never mind.

I think I read your post before it got deleted. Cant remember what it said, but I didnt notice anything untoward.
Mind you, I had my first post deleted a couple of weeks ago, and have no idea why. It would be helpful to know why, else how can we "improve".

I never saw Monica's deleted post.

Yes I support Reform. 😁

I always took it in media/political speak to mean centrist Tories who accepted they had to mollify the masses with public services whilst keeping the status quo ie let's have all the money really but help out the poor a bit so they don't riot.

Maybe I'm being cynical.

Charles Dickens in his novel Hard Times referred to it as 'Bread and Circuses.'

One thing about this country's landed establishment is that it doesn't change. No matter what government is in power the real establishment are not in the least disrupted by it.

'I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I think FGT2 has written in the past that she supports Reform.'

yes, so can see no reason why a message stating this was deleted. Ah well, never mind.

That is one of our democracy's weaknesses, the fact that they have to put so much effort into party politics all the way through their term of office; it must detract from the work of government.I want them to do their best for the country as a parliament, not be constantly scoring points off each other with an eye to the next elections. I'm not saying there's anything better, certainly not for the OK, I know there isn't. Maybe proportional representation & no clear majority as some countries do it, but don't think there would be an effective executive in that model.

Whenever one party is in power, the other is an irritant - that is how democracy works.

M0nica

growstuff Conservative/ Reform won't make much difference under the new leader, who ever they are.

I agree with you. My anecdotal experience is that most 'centrist' Conservative voters have already abandoned the party, either by not voting or voting for another party. I doubt if any of the people who stood to be leader would have enticed them back. Jenrick (in his current right-wing mode) or Badenoch might encourage some back from Reform, but the total still wouldn't be a threat to Labour. In any case, nearly five years is an eternity in politics.

I'm sure the fact that Labour is here for the next few years won't stop its opponents from being irritants.

It’s such a shame that the Tory MPs muddled their voting exercise and Mr Cleverly didn’t get to the final two. I am not a Tory but worry how this once respected political party have become so lost and dare I say it, damaged.

M0nica

growstuff Conservative/ Reform won't make much difference under the new leader, who ever they are.

I think Reform will take votes from Brexit supporting Tories and the LIb Dems could take their more centrist voters, which occurred at the last election. Also Labour could find itself losing votes to the Lib Dems, Greens and SNP if they fail to deliver.

growstuff Conservative/ Reform won't make much difference under the new leader, who ever they are.

fancythat

That description makes a lot of sense Cumbrianmale56.

Thankyou, it's probably summed up what I and most people think in this country. Most people aren't raging right wingers or ultra lefties and want a government that is either slightly right or slightly left. We all accept free enterprise, freedom of choice and the right to make money without the government taking most of it, but there has to be decent public services and protections at work.

There are a lot of disgruntled people of all ages

I help out at a Community project. I stood back yesterday and observed genuine hunger, hungry children. Parents frayed and struggling. I think its more than disgruntled and I don't think lashing out at immigrants is the way forward.

Thats an agree to your last comments Growstuff.

It did look for a period that Labour might split, but as the Conservatives got into more and more difficulties the determination to find a way through differences won through.

But that really not comparable to the Conservative's current dilemmas, except to say that loyalty can be stronger than one might think.

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I fear the One Nation Tories are out in the cold as far as the two leadership candidates and many of the Party members are concerned. Their only hope is to undermine the coming Far Right dominance under Jenrick or Badenoch to bring about another leadership election in two or three years time. A Tory party led by the Far Right can only hope to gain power by aping Farage and stirring up anti-wokeism, immigration fears, paranoia about ECHR, building yet more prisons, doubling down on Brexit, etc. We need a return to the decency of those Tories who experienced the two World Wars in close contact with ordinary men and women, Tories like Macmillan.

Brilliant MOnica!

Cumbrianmale56

For those of a certain age, One Nation Tories would be people like Ted Heath, Harold Macmillan and Alex Douglas Home, basically centrists who were to the right of Labout and to the left of Mrs Thatcher. They were the sort of Tories who accepted free enterprise, lowet taxes and traditional Tory policies like a strong defence and law and order, but also were more committed to full employment, council house building, the NHS and welfare spending than their successors.

Thank you! I always tend to overthink things!

fancythat

^If you’ve just read the definition of one Nation Tories, you would understand the difference.^

Sorry, I dont.

And your next sentence confused me even further.

Without going into a detailed explanation about the various influences on Disraeli (including his Jewishness) and how his support of a paternalistic one nation Tory philosophy was developed (not least with support from Victoria) it would almost certainly best to read around the subject.

I could go into an explanation, but it will bore everyone to death I think!

That description makes a lot of sense Cumbrianmale56.

For those of a certain age, One Nation Tories would be people like Ted Heath, Harold Macmillan and Alex Douglas Home, basically centrists who were to the right of Labout and to the left of Mrs Thatcher. They were the sort of Tories who accepted free enterprise, lowet taxes and traditional Tory policies like a strong defence and law and order, but also were more committed to full employment, council house building, the NHS and welfare spending than their successors.

GrannyGravy13 From what I've read of your posts, my guess would be that you're the epitome of a One Nation Conservative.

Fleurpepper

Thanks for asking, was just trying to formulate the same question as you posted.

Another question, and I don't want to make this personal. But I so often wonder how and why some people become so distrustful of their fellow human being, and so lacking in compassion, understanding and care.

For some, I imagine it is pure privilege and perhaps lack of contact with those less fortunate. For others perhaps, huge hardship and hurt.

I have compassion in bucket loads.

I also see what is going on around me in the U.K.

There are a lot of disgruntled people of all ages, Reform has tapped into this Labour have ignored them, and the Conservatives are torn between verging further to the right to regain the Reform voters and placating their middle of the road conservatives like myself.

If you’ve just read the definition of one Nation Tories, you would understand the difference.

Sorry, I dont.

And your next sentence confused me even further.

Thanks for asking, was just trying to formulate the same question as you posted.

Another question, and I don't want to make this personal. But I so often wonder how and why some people become so distrustful of their fellow human being, and so lacking in compassion, understanding and care.

For some, I imagine it is pure privilege and perhaps lack of contact with those less fortunate. For others perhaps, huge hardship and hurt.