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Whitewavemark2 Tue 15-Oct-24 07:18:42

With only 3 weeks to go, perhaps we can start to watch the shenanigans taking place in the USA.

Trump is warning America of his intention post election.

“Donald Trump has provoked an angry backlash from Democrats after calling for the US armed forces to be turned against his political adversaries when voters go to the polls at next month’s presidential election.
In comments that added further fuel to fears of an authoritarian crackdown if he recaptures the White House, the Republican nominee said the military or national guard should be deployed against opponents that he called “the enemy within” when the election takes place on 5 November.
He singled out the California congressman, Adam Schiff, who was the lead prosecutor in the ex-president’s first impeachment trial, as posing a bigger threat to a free and fair election than foreign terrorists or illegal immigrants, his usual prime target for abuse.
Trump’s comments, to Fox News in response to a question on possible election “chaos”, triggered an angry reaction from Kamala Harris’s campaign, which likened them to previous remarks that he would be a dictator “on day one” of a second presidency and his suggestions that the US constitution should be terminated to overturn the 2020 election result, which he falsely claims was stolen by Joe Biden”.

Mamie Wed 06-Nov-24 08:35:46

Whitewavemark2

I have been listening and reading quite a bit this morning, and I think that the thing that I found most convincing was when someone was commenting on what history will make about this period.

The argument was that Trump, Brexit, and the movement to the right and authoritarianism throughout the world is a result of the world financial shock of 2008, which resulted in so much hardship for ordinary people and the failure for governments to address this.

The insane leverage by the banks and subsequent crash, meant something like 1 in 50 families losing their home in the USA, many of which have struggled to recover from.

In the U.K. austerity, by cutting public services to the bone, middle class was no longer a by-word for life time employment, which meant that people felt far less secure and the trust in politicians gone.

Meanwhile the very wealthy grew even wealthier, and with an apparent ability to influence governments throughout the world meant democracy was no longer the force we lived under in our youth.

As the real experiences of the dangers of populism are lost from living memory, they are more likely to recur.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Nov-24 08:26:14

I have been listening and reading quite a bit this morning, and I think that the thing that I found most convincing was when someone was commenting on what history will make about this period.

The argument was that Trump, Brexit, and the movement to the right and authoritarianism throughout the world is a result of the world financial shock of 2008, which resulted in so much hardship for ordinary people and the failure for governments to address this.

The insane leverage by the banks and subsequent crash, meant something like 1 in 50 families losing their home in the USA, many of which have struggled to recover from.

In the U.K. austerity, by cutting public services to the bone, middle class was no longer a by-word for life time employment, which meant that people felt far less secure and the trust in politicians gone.

Meanwhile the very wealthy grew even wealthier, and with an apparent ability to influence governments throughout the world meant democracy was no longer the force we lived under in our youth.

ronib Wed 06-Nov-24 08:19:08

If Trump is able to force a solution in Ukraine that has to be a force for good. The word is if.
I hope Lammy and Starmer can cope with Trump in charge. Seems like our growth forecasts are damaged now. Does Trump as President help Farage back home to build Reform?

growstuff Wed 06-Nov-24 08:17:47

Galaxy

I worry for democracy.
Er this was democracy.

One election does not 'democracy' make!

growstuff Wed 06-Nov-24 08:16:52

JudyBloom

Thank God Trump won, else we would all have been doomed!

I don't suppose you would care to explain this comment.

Casdon Wed 06-Nov-24 08:13:38

Grim news for the world.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Nov-24 08:07:49

This is very different to 2016.

JudyBloom Wed 06-Nov-24 08:00:40

Thank God Trump won, else we would all have been doomed!

Jackiest Wed 06-Nov-24 07:57:53

It is a very sad day for humanity.

NanKate Wed 06-Nov-24 07:55:54

Is this curtains for Ukraine? DT will withdraw money to help them fight Russia. I am truly sad and worried. Putin must be dancing round the Kremlin ☹️ It’s a disaster imo.

LaCrepescule Wed 06-Nov-24 07:51:47

Very disappointed at the likely result. Feel so sad for the women of America especially. It’s such a divided country and those divisions are only going to get deeper.
If only we were still part of the EU, I would be less concerned about how a Trump presidency would affect us economically. But Brexit came about as the result of a democratic process in a deeply divided nation.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Nov-24 07:50:52

Galaxy

I worry for democracy.
Er this was democracy.

Have you heard of plan 2025?

Galaxy Wed 06-Nov-24 07:49:26

It isnt a personal attack on you growstuff,it is a comment on the failure of the opposition.

Galaxy Wed 06-Nov-24 07:47:03

I worry for democracy.
Er this was democracy.

petra Wed 06-Nov-24 07:40:38

Not one bit surprised. I put a bet on him to win last time and I did the same this time. Not because I support him but I understand human nature.
As Clinton once said: it’s the economy, stupid. Plus, the Democrats ( and the Labour Party here) have taken the ethnic peoples vote for granted.
Now it’s well and truely come back to bite them in the arse big time.

surfsup Wed 06-Nov-24 07:40:23

Galaxy

Did calling people stupid and nazis not work again. Who can believe it.
Mind I probably need not to take up a career in election predictions.

This.

Watching Ch 4 earlier they were almost apoplectic. Most strange.

That's democracy.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 06-Nov-24 07:32:29

Yay! 😁😁😁
He did it! I knew he would!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Nov-24 07:25:13

Yes I think Taiwan must see this as a disaster.

growstuff Wed 06-Nov-24 07:25:12

GrannyGravy13

I am not in the least bit surprised.

Neither am I - unfortunately.

growstuff Wed 06-Nov-24 07:24:43

David49

growstuff

David49

It looks like the republicans have won, despite Trump, if they had had a more appealing candidate it probably would have been more decisive. Im surprised that more women didn’t turn out to vote for Harris.

Don’t worry the world is not going to end, that is emotional rubbish, it didnt end in 2016, if anything the US is likely to be more inward looking. Zelensky is not going to be pleased because Trump has been very non commital on Ukraine.

No, I don't think the world will end, but IMO it will be a far less desirable place. As far as I know, I am still allowed to express an opinion.

My worry about Harris winning was that the US would drag Europe into the Ukraine War, otherwise I’m not expecting any change affecting the UK. What they do in another country is no concern of mine, at least the US is democratic.

Democracy in the US (as in other so-called democracies) is questionable.

growstuff Wed 06-Nov-24 07:23:31

David49

Whitewavemark2

What I think and hope will happen is that Europe will now be forced to become independent of the USA and be stronger as a result because it will understand that it must entirely stand up for itself.

I fully expect that the U.K. will be part of this coalition.

Yes, Europe stepping up, not hanging onto US coat tails would be good, don’t underestimate the cost of having a credible deterrent to Russia

Not just Russia.

growstuff Wed 06-Nov-24 07:22:29

fancythat

Apart from wars[which I agree is a huge issue], does the US have as much influence over the rest of the world, as some say?
I could be very wrong.

It still has a financial influence. It's estimated that Trump's protectionism will negatively affect the UK's growth. Not only that, but the rest of the world is influenced by ideas - especially conspiracy theories - which originate in the US and are spread on US-controlled social media.

Babs03 Wed 06-Nov-24 07:15:28

Looks like Trump is winning 😣

fancythat Wed 06-Nov-24 07:13:31

I worry for Ukraine

Even the Trump supporter I know, and I know next to none as far as I know, is concerned about Ukraine, if it turned out to be a Trump win.

David49 Wed 06-Nov-24 07:02:58

Whitewavemark2

What I think and hope will happen is that Europe will now be forced to become independent of the USA and be stronger as a result because it will understand that it must entirely stand up for itself.

I fully expect that the U.K. will be part of this coalition.

Yes, Europe stepping up, not hanging onto US coat tails would be good, don’t underestimate the cost of having a credible deterrent to Russia