The US Election.

petra

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

Farage admits that the UK is totally alone currently from the point of military security, and that we are now closer to WW3 thanwe have ever been before.

I am curious as to why you suddenly believe what Mr.Farage has to say?

It’s suits the narrative 😂

Which narrative? His for sure.

I don't believe a word he says- he is playing a disgusting game and has been for a long time- hell bent on separating us from our closest allies in Europe- and now blackmailing us to support Trump, lest we start WW3! A narcissistic opportinist of the highest (lowest) order.

We now face, and so does the EU btw, TWENTY % tariffs for all exports, just at the time we are having massive difficulties caused by Brexit to export to our nearest friends in Europe. And juge costs in importing stuff we can't produce here.

The addition of both the above is a disaster for the UK's economy- and all of us- for education, the NHS, Social services, etc, etc. And our military security- part of NATO but not at the top table and very much isolated in so many ways.

petra every cloud has a silver lining 👍

I would think the first thing Putin thought of when Trump said he would pump, pump, pump was the price of oil.
If Trump follows through with this announcement the price of oil will fall dramatically.
Goodbye Putins main revenue stream.

The six richest men in the US increased their wealth by the equivalent GDP of a small country when Trump won. Musk alone saw his wealth by at least 20 billion dollars, so his investment in Trump is certainly paying off. These are the people who will gain whereas trade tariffs will increase inflation for everyone but will hit the poorest the most. So much for Trump economics.

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

Farage admits that the UK is totally alone currently from the point of military security, and that we are now closer to WW3 thanwe have ever been before.

I am curious as to why you suddenly believe what Mr.Farage has to say?

It’s suits the narrative 😂

Apparently US Shares, BitCoin and the Dollar have all risen since POTUS Trump’s win.

Not sure he says that Amercians have it good- as you say. But comparing to the very dark periods of American history.

Fleurpepper

This ordinary man from the USA says it all. And explains why 'agreeing to disagree' just does not work in such situation

Well worth listening to.

www.facebook.com/share/r/19HqB1z6fX/

It's a good listen, but he's got it slightly wrong when he says that Americans have it good... Millions of them don't, even the blue collar middle classes. I'm seeing so many comments that the real value of wages hasn't increased in 30+ years. They were wide open to promises of improvement.

Promises which won't be fulfilled because Trump's economics (and those of his wealthy backers) will do nothing for those who are not already wealthy.

He much more concerned than you realize, travel and investment restrictions on Russians, not to mention internal restrictions, do not make him popular.

He's not interested in being popular. He doesn't need to be 'popular'. He has the whole force of the military and the police behind him and he has captured what little there was of the democratic process.

This ordinary man from the USA says it all. And explains why 'agreeing to disagree' just does not work in such situation

Well worth listening to.

www.facebook.com/share/r/19HqB1z6fX/

I doubt Putin will agree to a ceasefire unless he can demonstrate to his fellow Russians that he has won and that means gaining territory. He gained territory in 2014, if he gains more this time he'll try again in the future. My concern is that Trump will try to buy peace by giving Putin a big slice of what territory he's currently holding whilst telling Zelensky he'll cut off military aid if he doesn't agree. Effectively rewarding Putin for his aggression. Trump is transactional and he'll see only what deal will suit his presidency. Fwiw Putin controls the media and Russians are told what Putin wants them to believe but IMO with Trump in the White House he'll have an easier path to getting what he wants.

MaizieD

I didn't think that Putin was in the least bit interested in the wishes of the Russian population, David. He's got the top job sewn up for as long as he wants it and he's made sure he is very, very wealthy. Dissent is stamped on firmly. He'll keep going for as long as he wants to...

He much more concerned than you realize, travel and investment restrictions on Russians, not to mention internal restrictions, do not make him popular. Relaxing restrictions will be part of the deal, the problem with Ukraine “not” joining NATO is that Ukraine will be armed by NATO but not controlled by them. Neither side will feel secure, better that NATO is in control, the same situation as all the other border countries.

I didn't think that Putin was in the least bit interested in the wishes of the Russian population, David. He's got the top job sewn up for as long as he wants it and he's made sure he is very, very wealthy. Dissent is stamped on firmly. He'll keep going for as long as he wants to...

ronib

Amnesty International has highlighted the perils of expressing opposition to the war in Ukraine David49.
Putin is good at closing down dissent. Seems to be a sign of the times….

I’m an optimist, if Ukraine is not protected by NATO the war will restart in a few years. Russia and China are a fact of life they are not going to change because Amnesty International says so.
Zelensky needs to get something in return for loosing 10%+ of his country, more than just arms.

Amnesty International has highlighted the perils of expressing opposition to the war in Ukraine David49.
Putin is good at closing down dissent. Seems to be a sign of the times….

MaizieD

What makes you think that Putin wants to put the war behind him, David?

(genuine question, no economics involved 😆)

The Russians population want the manpower losses to stop, he will claim it as a victory, yes politics matter to Putin

Of course we are Oreo

Talking not taking

If NF says this then he’s taking out of his hat. We are members of NATO.

Fleurpepper

Farage admits that the UK is totally alone currently from the point of military security, and that we are now closer to WW3 thanwe have ever been before.

I am curious as to why you suddenly believe what Mr.Farage has to say?

Farage admits that the UK is totally alone currently from the point of military security, and that we are now closer to WW3 thanwe have ever been before.

What makes you think that Putin wants to put the war behind him, David?

(genuine question, no economics involved 😆)

Freya5

Freya5

Well if Europe doesn't step up to the plate, ie increase their funding to NATO, there may well be problems. Germany for years paid less than most others. You can't really expect America to carry us all. Even a massive country like Canada spends only 2% of its GDP on defense, less than us at 2.3%. Poland the biggest spender at 4.1% and Estonia 3.4%.
So I think many others need to put their hands more deeply into their pockets to spread the cost evenly.

Yes including us.

I’m sure Eastern Europeans spend a larger proportion of GDP on defence but they have a smaller GDP to spend most others spend less than 2%, the UK is increasing to 2.5%.

I think Putin wants to put the war behind him if he can save face, so will do a deal, Ukraine joining NATO is the key for Zelensky, probably fast track to EU as well.

Freya5

Well if Europe doesn't step up to the plate, ie increase their funding to NATO, there may well be problems. Germany for years paid less than most others. You can't really expect America to carry us all. Even a massive country like Canada spends only 2% of its GDP on defense, less than us at 2.3%. Poland the biggest spender at 4.1% and Estonia 3.4%.
So I think many others need to put their hands more deeply into their pockets to spread the cost evenly.

Yes including us.

Well if Europe doesn't step up to the plate, ie increase their funding to NATO, there may well be problems. Germany for years paid less than most others. You can't really expect America to carry us all. Even a massive country like Canada spends only 2% of its GDP on defense, less than us at 2.3%. Poland the biggest spender at 4.1% and Estonia 3.4%.
So I think many others need to put their hands more deeply into their pockets to spread the cost evenly.