Should we really be doing this?

If he hadn’t got a brain and was dangerous, would he be Liz Truss then Smileless?

I'm not convinced that Liz Truss would have been that stupid and anyway she isn't PM is she, Starmer is.

Smileless2012

I'm not convinced that Liz Truss would have been that stupid and anyway she isn't PM is she, Starmer is.

She already has been though Smileless, read the thread.

Liz Truss attending republican rallies isn't the same as our PM sending/allowing 100 Labour MP's to go to America's swing states, 3 weeks before the Presidential election in an attempt to prevent Trump from winning Casdon.

Perhaps you'd like to address my first post about what may well happen to our relationship with America if Trump wins.

Isn’t it Smileless? I’ve made it clear that I object to any UK involvement in foreign politics, and I see no difference in the UK parties attending political events supporting either party in the US elections. For two ex PMs and a serving MP to be at the highest profile Republican event of the year, shown across the world, is every bit as wrong as the Labour Party sending volunteer foot soldiers to support Democrats in their election campaign.

No it isn't IMO Casdon not when we have a Labour government.

eazybee

Not a sensible thing to do and I would be furious if Americans turned up on my doorstep 'advising' me how to vote
Apparently Labour staff were emailed on August 2nd by Sofia Patel asking if any were willing to travel to the US to'help our friends across the pond to elect their first female president.'
Labour activists are asked to pay for their own travel and car hire but will be put up by Democrats. Staff intending to travel have to book annual leave.
I would have thought they had enough to do here.

Given the terms they are going on, I applaud them.

Labour activists are asked to pay for their own travel and car hire but will be put up by Democrats. Staff intending to travel have to book annual leave.

It was represented in the news this morning quite differently as some kind of political official intervention (shock, horror, etc) but this is what I suspected.

Started back in August, its part of a long history of both formal and informal contact and its people with particular skills - campaigning.

They are not as suggested above going to "influence policy" in anyway.

Storm in a teacup.

Smileless2012

No it isn't IMO Casdon not when we have a Labour government.

Your opinion is coloured by your political beliefs in this instance. If the Tories had won the election, Truss and Johnson, recent ex UK PMs would have been openly supporting Trump at the Republican Convention, which is just as bad. Why not hold your hands up as I have done and say you disagree with any involvement from any of the parties?

You have no idea what my political beliefs are Casdon. Of course I disagree with any involvement from any of the parties and even more so when the party getting involved in this instance is our Government.

I do not need you or anyone for that matter to tell me when and if to hold my hands up.

Sky news quite informative and balanced comments from different POV.

news.sky.com/story/labour-staff-helping-on-kamala-harris-campaign-is-normal-says-minister-13235697

I see no mention of any about MP going, just volunteer staff with campaigning experience (I wouldn't agree with an MP going)

end of the article: "Labour staff have travelled to the US during previous presidential elections to campaign for the Democratic nominee"

Smileless2012

You have no idea what my political beliefs are Casdon. Of course I disagree with any involvement from any of the parties and even more so when the party getting involved in this instance is our Government.

I do not need you or anyone for that matter to tell me when and if to hold my hands up.

What is your logic then Smileless, I think I know from your previous posts what your politics are, but if I’m wrong, I don’t understand your stance?

"Farage plays up links with Trump and criticises Harris’s ‘radical left’ history
Nigel Farage and his deputy Richard Tice sought to capitalise on their links with the Trump campaign at Reform UK’s party conference"

"“But as a leader of a party that is now becoming mainstream, international affairs, our relationship with our most important, strategic international partner – the US – is very important and the world will be a safer place if Donald Trump wins the presidential election.

“Nigel’s strong relationship with Donald Trump is actually to the benefit of this country and it’s quite right that he cements and strengthens that." (Tice)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nigel-farage-donald-trump-richard-tice-david-lammy-reform-uk-b2616448.html

Grantanow

Frankly I think Trump is a threat to Western democracy and any legitimate action to keep him out of the White House is worth pursuing.

Absolutely this. I think some posters are missing the bigger picture. Trump poses an existential threat, along with the rise of the far right in Europe. Isolationism doesn't work, it never did, but the world is now more connected than ever and currently in a very precarious state.

Witzend

If I found Americans canvassing for any political party before a general election of ours, I’d be livid. Let them stick to their own messy politics.
I seem to recall Barack Obama kindly telling us how we ought to vote in the Brexit referendum. IMO he should have minded his own business, too.

This!!

Iam64

Well as a LP member, I’m happy for my subs to be used to support Kamala.
All that needs for evil to triumph is for good to stand by saying, nothing to do with me

Quite ....

This is not the Labour government but the Labour party.

Absolutely this. I think some posters are missing the bigger picture. Trump poses an existential threat, along with the rise of the far right in Europe. Isolationism doesn't work, it never did, but the world is now more connected than ever and currently in a very precarious state.
I agree about the precarious state of the world, but the question was, should LP (or any political party) representatives be going to another country to get involved with their politics?

They are not "representatives", they are individual LP members who have chosen to go and help with a campaign voluntarily.

Are you a Labour member or voter by any chance Wyllow3?
I’d be more impressed by your arguments and staunch defence on this matter if you said you are a Conservative.
It isn’t a ‘storm in a teacup’ at all and am glad that many others on here find it a worrying thing.No group from another country should be canvassing/advising/ helping a presidential candidate, this isn’t even ten people but a hundred.There’s enough interference from malign players as it is without ‘friendly’ interference.

Out of interest has anyone any ideas on how to stop the illegal migrants crossing the channel? Let's face it, the French are not interested (even though we pay them millions of pounds), we cannot send them back to France as they would not take them back and we cannot leave them adrift in the Channel. Even if we tried to send them elsewhere in the world the 'Human Rights' Lawyers and the ECHR would take on their cases and it would cost us, the Taxpayers millions in money.
When you talk about these 'gangs" in France how have the 'illegals' the money to pay for the crossings. You cannot tell me they will have the money without being 'in hoc' to the gangs somehow. They do not do instalment plans.
I have no objection to legal migration but with the illegals you have no idea who you are bringing in.
So, what would you do to stop it?

They are representing Labour Party ideals and Amerians may believe they represent the Government of the UK.

You all seem to have missed my post about Lynton Crosby. An Australian running campaigns for the tories. And being knighted for it' A foreigner interfering in our political processes.

Where was the indignation about that?

I'm a member who feels other L party members should be able to choose to go and help or not. Happy with people in the Party who feel not

Labour Party members have helped in democratic elections before (its in the Sky article I referenced above)

which is why I said its a storm in a teacup - as nothing new here - until some newspapers chose it as this morning's regular "find todays L Party bashing topic"

Allira

They are representing Labour Party ideals and Amerians may believe they represent the Government of the UK.

Only if they believe MAGA misrepresentations.

Wassam if you are new you will find another thread ongoing on immigration discussing your points
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1341204-Almost-1-000-migrants-crossed-the-Channel-yesterday

MaizieD

You all seem to have missed my post about Lynton Crosby. An Australian running campaigns for the tories. And being knighted for it' A foreigner interfering in our political processes.

Where was the indignation about that?

I can see the difference between someone paid to do a job and a group of people canvassing in a country where they are not President.

Crosby is a UK resident.