Its Keir Starmer, not Kier Starmer

Imo people are being totally disrespectful of the PM by constantly spelling his name wrong. I’ve never known such vitriol aimed at a new PM who, imo, has done nothing to deserve it. Ok Truss was ridiculed but she did crash the economy. It smacks of people jumping on a bandwagon; almost like playground bullying. I don’t understand it and I really am trying to distance myself from gransnet these days.

Quite rafichagran, it’s not important.
There are much more important things happening in the world to get upset about.

I like the Prime ministers name, about the only thing I do like about him now, Kier to me looms better written down, but if it is spelt Keir then that's what I shall write.
I really do not think it is a big thing when posters or others put Kier in error. I could not be bothered to correct or argue it.

escaped

Yes, indeed Mamie, ever the linguine in some of us!

Or should that be the linguist? 😂

I like linguine as a substitute! 😃

Yes, indeed Mamie, ever the linguine in some of us!

Or should that be the linguist? 😂

I thought the origin of the name stuff was quite interesting, but some of the thread is a bit weird. (Please note the spelling). 😂😂😂

I even included another spelling mistake, or typo as they are otherwise called, since I do know how to spell everything!

GONHRTWT

Fits better with tier, as in Two Tier Kier/2TK.

There. Sorted 😘

Transalation of the stuff at the top: Guilty Of Not Having Read The Whole Thread.

RosiesMaw2

madalene

Is this really in News and Politics?
Surely it should be in Pedants’ corner!

😂
Funny cartoon!

All this to do with a name, and whether it is Kier, Keir, Starmer, KS, Sir, or plain Mr! If the thread had been in Chat, it would have been quite funny.

I really have no idea who it was who reprimanded me for the Omid Scooby(do) name, because it was racist (!!), (maybe it was WoozieSuzie or someone), but why would anyone trawl through past threads to deliver any accusations? I use my memory, and if that falls on a nebulous "someone", what's wrong with that?

Maybe Mollygo was thinking along those lines, but I fail to see how she was supposed to remember every person's name who made every comment. Maybe I'm a bit dim, (now who was it who called me so?), but I also fail to see how she was being an offender of passive aggression here. If anything it was another poster, using a laugh emoji, who prolonged the comment into wondering who - nothing wrong with that either.
🤔

I could think of a lot of things to call him; Kier would be one of the more polite ones.

madalene

Is this really in News and Politics?
Surely it should be in Pedants’ corner!

Is this really in News and Politics?
Surely it should be in Pedants’ corner!

Doodledog
I don't know if it's me seeing a different side of you since the election, or if I just didn't see it before, but I used to see someone calling out passive aggression on trans threads (I'm not sure that we shared a presence on other ones very often) but now you seem to be the worst offender at exactly that.
That’s a very well put description of how your posts appear to me since the election Doodledog.

We used to have a poster (ex-poster? I won't name her in case that is against the rules, but am happy to do so if not - her name could be 'Purple Airspace' if in a crossword - who used to hint at things that 'some people' did, and pretended that she could see both sides of everything and was the reasonable person on every thread. We could all see that this was far from true, however.
???
You’ve just asked me to name somebody from another thread, but you won’t do so? How is that reasonable?

It is very rare that anyone other than the Dalai Lama can claim to be the voice of reason, see both sides, sit in the middle etc, however much people think they do so.

I agree, but who are the people think they do so you mean?

I don't think for a moment that you are fair to both sides since Labour won the election, and neither do I think that you are somehow 'in the middle', any more than Purple Airspace was when it came to trans issues.

What you think is your opinion.
What I think is mine. I think I’m fair and unless there is a new rule I’ve not heard of about who is allowed to have an opinion . . .

That doesn't matter, as far as I am concerned. I have friends from all political persuasions, but as I believe in democracy I accept that people don't have to agree with me.
???

If someone argues, I will argue back, though. I only get personal when people attack me, however. There are historical reasons for that. I try not to let them influence my responses, but don't always manage. I do know that if people simply disagree, I just disagree back, and don't to the 'tit for tat' thing that you seem to revel in. Even people with whom I usually disagree will accept that, I think. People can, of course, feel free to come up with examples if they think I am wrong.
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As you know, it is easy to go back through threads and pull up examples, so please don't do the 'I know what I am but what are you?' thing? It's not clever to try to 'Gotcha' people, and try to trip them up with 'you said this, so you must mean that' accusations, particularly when they are in code, or hidden in more complex posts.

You keep going on about gotcha, but it’s in your mind or interpretation. I don’t bother doing that.

As I've said, I can't be bothered with GN presently, so if you decide to use this defence to try to get me banned, I won't be too upset. I am not looking at leaving of my own volition, as I enjoy the company of a lot of people (whether political 'friends' or not) but it all feel so toxic just now that it feels like more trouble than it's worth.

I don't, and haven’t ever done reporting to try and get anyone banned. It’s much better to leave the comments to stand, but if you’re happy to make that accusation, so be it.

I have things going on in my private life that I might once have come here to ask advice about, but now I wouldn't dream of it because of the spite that moves from thread to thread. The Starmer hatred has killed the sense of community that used to be here, I think.

I think the constant rebuttal of any criticisms of Starmer are equally contributing to the loss of community.

🤔

Do you know who it was, Molly? Why not say so, instead of implying and hinting that you're in the know? Some People, eh?

I don't know if it's me seeing a different side of you since the election, or if I just didn't see it before, but I used to see someone calling out passive aggression on trans threads (I'm not sure that we shared a presence on other ones very often) but now you seem to be the worst offender at exactly that.

We used to have a poster (ex-poster? I won't name her in case that is against the rules, but am happy to do so if not - her name could be 'Purple Airspace' if in a crossword - who used to hint at things that 'some people' did, and pretended that she could see both sides of everything and was the reasonable person on every thread. We could all see that this was far from true, however.

It is very rare that anyone other than the Dalai Lama can claim to be the voice of reason, see both sides, sit in the middle etc, however much people think they do so.

I don't think for a moment that you are fair to both sides since Labour won the election, and neither do I think that you are somehow 'in the middle', any more than Purple Airspace was when it came to trans issues.

That doesn't matter, as far as I am concerned. I have friends from all political persuasions, but as I believe in democracy I accept that people don't have to agree with me.

If someone argues, I will argue back, though. I only get personal when people attack me, however. There are historical reasons for that. I try not to let them influence my responses, but don't always manage. I do know that if people simply disagree, I just disagree back, and don't to the 'tit for tat' thing that you seem to revel in. Even people with whom I usually disagree will accept that, I think. People can, of course, feel free to come up with examples if they think I am wrong.

As you know, it is easy to go back through threads and pull up examples, so please don't do the 'I know what I am but what are you?' thing? It's not clever to try to 'Gotcha' people, and try to trip them up with 'you said this, so you must mean that' accusations, particularly when they are in code, or hidden in more complex posts.

As I've said, I can't be bothered with GN presently, so if you decide to use this defence to try to get me banned, I won't be too upset. I am not looking at leaving of my own volition, as I enjoy the company of a lot of people (whether political 'friends' or not) but it all feel so toxic just now that it feels like more trouble than it's worth.

I have things going on in my private life that I might once have come here to ask advice about, but now I wouldn't dream of it because of the spite that moves from thread to thread. The Starmer hatred has killed the sense of community that used to be here, I think.

Nightsky2
Probably!

Nightsky2

Mollygo

This is an excellent thread which demonstrates the need to protect the LP, even from spelling errors.
Originally I referred to KS as Starmer because I couldn’t remember if it was i before e or not, but once I’d been reprimanded for that here on GN, I stopped worrying about whether it was Kier or Keir and just used Starmer or KS. It makes life easier.

I was once reprimanded on here too after I referred to a politician by their surname. It wasn’t Starmer. I wonder if we were admonished by the same person.😀

I've had the same. I think it stems from girls being called by their first names at school - people sometimes think it is rude to use a surname, when it's normal practice to refer to some groups by surnames in their professional capacity. Authors and political figures spring to mind, but sports people too.

Mollygo

Allira

Keir, Kier, Niamh, Neeve, Neve, Nieve, Siobhan, Shivawn,
Amy, Aimee, Catherine, Katharine, Kathryn

What's in a name?

🤣🤣🤣
My favourite was Naive.
Then whether Philip had one l or two and whether Philippa had one l or two combined with one p or two ps and don’t get me started on the lectures I got from parents about Kallum, Kalom, Calum, Callum, or even Kalem being the only correct spelling.
They could very well be GN contributors now.

Oh no.
Runs from thread in hurry, in case I get proper muddled! [run]

Daddima

Mollygo

Nightsky the issue of spelling names on here is nothing compared with an EYFS teacher faced with parents who insist that their their spelling of any name is the only correct one and woe betide you if you make an error.
Actually, it is a bit like being admonished on GN.

May I ask what ‘EYFS’ is?

Maybe ‘English ? Foreign Students?

Thank you, Googles
Early Years Foundation Stage, England only, so that’s why I wasn’t familiar with it ( and maybe because it’s nine years since I worked!)

karmalady

pedantic as always. There are more important things to concern us than spelling

Hear hear

And as I sometimes say, English for many, is not their first language.

Mollygo

Nightsky the issue of spelling names on here is nothing compared with an EYFS teacher faced with parents who insist that their their spelling of any name is the only correct one and woe betide you if you make an error.
Actually, it is a bit like being admonished on GN.

May I ask what ‘EYFS’ is?

Maybe ‘English ? Foreign Students?

Allira

Keir, Kier, Niamh, Neeve, Neve, Nieve, Siobhan, Shivawn,
Amy, Aimee, Catherine, Katharine, Kathryn

What's in a name?

🤣🤣🤣
My favourite was Naive.
Then whether Philip had one l or two and whether Philippa had one l or two combined with one p or two ps and don’t get me started on the lectures I got from parents about Kallum, Kalom, Calum, Callum, or even Kalem being the only correct spelling.
They could very well be GN contributors now.

Mollygo

This is an excellent thread which demonstrates the need to protect the LP, even from spelling errors.
Originally I referred to KS as Starmer because I couldn’t remember if it was i before e or not, but once I’d been reprimanded for that here on GN, I stopped worrying about whether it was Kier or Keir and just used Starmer or KS. It makes life easier.

I was once reprimanded on here too after I referred to a politician by their surname. It wasn’t Starmer. I wonder if we were admonished by the same person.😀

Keir, Kier, Niamh, Neeve, Neve, Nieve, Siobhan, Shivawn,
Amy, Aimee, Catherine, Katharine, Kathryn

What's in a name?