I do wish Keir Starmer would stop talking about ‘working people’!

nanna8

They don’t have cheques anymore here. All online or phone these days.

I still use cheques.

They don’t have cheques anymore here. All online or phone these days.

biglouis and Allira, Dad was recently sent a cheque as a lottery win.
I was able to pay it into his current account by using the camera on my phone.
Worth a try next time?

Allira

AN41

I thought he was referring to anybody who wasn't contributing to the economy. e.g most pensioners, children, criminals, the unemployed and the like.

Most people contribute to the economy in some way whether they are working or not.

We may invest and most people spend on goods and services.

My NDN volunteers with the local tourist board - then goes into town and buys a coffee in one of the local cafes / eateries, later, shopping locally.

She's retired, not on PAYE - not one of Starmer's "working people", but I'd suggest she's contributing to the economy and society, even if only locally. And I bet there are thousands like her in small towns and villages all over the country.

I understand Starmer wants to reassure workers that they are not going to see tax rises, but unfortunately, his emphasis is divisive.

... what will happen of course is what always happens. Money cannot be extracted from the very poor, obviously, and the very rich are gong to do what they always do - or shout blue-murder and threaten to up sticks and leave. So, once again, it will be those in the middle, neither poor nor rich, who have been prudent with what money they do have, who will bear the brunt of the economic burden.

If he meant people who pay PAYE are working people, did he mean people who are self employed are not working people?

AN41

I thought he was referring to anybody who wasn't contributing to the economy. e.g most pensioners, children, criminals, the unemployed and the like.

Most people contribute to the economy in some way whether they are working or not.

We may invest and most people spend on goods and services.

Sorry, I was referring to Keir Starmer and what he meant by "working people".

I thought he was referring to anybody who wasn't contributing to the economy. e.g most pensioners, children, criminals, the unemployed and the like.

What statistics don’t show is how many older people voted remain, and are still taking the rap for all those of any age who voted leave.
But if that statistic was required, I’m sure it could be produced.

I'm not sure why these statistics are produced as fact as they rely on exit polls.

Statistics can be used to prove whatever point you like to make
e.g. statistics show that fewer younger people voted.

Statistics can also be made to show that younger people were more pro remain.

So statistics show that if more people who were pro-remain had got off their rear ends and voted, we wouldn’t have Brexit.

What statistics don’t show is how many older people voted remain, and are still taking the rap for all those of any age who voted leave.
But if that statistic was required, I’m sure it could be produced.

biglouis

I have a very good customer who insists upon writing cheques. First time it happened I had to ring my bank and ask where to send it. The young woman who answered said she had never seen a cheque! Its a bit of a faff but she spends quite a few hundred pounds at a time so Im not going to turn her away.

I was sent a cheque for money I was owed by a financial company; it was for less than £10 yet I had originally paid them via direct debit.
Thank goodness our bank is the one remaining open here.

I have a very good customer who insists upon writing cheques. First time it happened I had to ring my bank and ask where to send it. The young woman who answered said she had never seen a cheque! Its a bit of a faff but she spends quite a few hundred pounds at a time so Im not going to turn her away.

Statistics, statistics and damned lies.

I'm not disagreeing with that. Obviously we can't prove it, but it seems to me to be likely to be true. It's Brexit and 14 years of mismanagement that have got us to this pass, and we are all going to have to pay.

If we are looking at who is responsible (eg those who didn't vote) statistically it is older people who voted in favour. Should they/we carry the can? It's the same logic.

Nothing to do with Starmer's definition of working people though.

Yes I know, but we only have Brexit because not enough people voted against it.

Mollygo

MayBee70

If only people like Beth Rigby et al had been so interrogational and forensic about every word Conservative MP’s have uttered over the past 14 years . Especially regarding Brexit…

And if Only all those people had got off their rear end and bothered to vote, we might not have had Brexit.
Over a million people who didn’t bother, contributed to Brexit.

If ifs and ands were pots and pans there'd be no need for tinkers' hands.

eazybee

I disagree.
People who save money that has been earned, and taxed,should be allowed to invest it if they wish, and not be taxed again.

By that token, should people who have earned their own money not be charged VAT when those spending someone else's be charged an extra 20%?

MayBee70

If only people like Beth Rigby et al had been so interrogational and forensic about every word Conservative MP’s have uttered over the past 14 years . Especially regarding Brexit…

And if Only all those people had got off their rear end and bothered to vote, we might not have had Brexit.
Over a million people who didn’t bother, contributed to Brexit.

If only people like Beth Rigby et al had been so interrogational and forensic about every word Conservative MP’s have uttered over the past 14 years . Especially regarding Brexit…

MissAdventure

Ah, but at least you don't have calloused hands

No, but broken fingernails from all the cleaning 😕

Ah, but at least you don't have calloused hands

eazybee

I disagree.
People who save money that has been earned, and taxed,should be allowed to invest it if they wish, and not be taxed again.

Unless you know how to work the system, or can pay someone to do that for you, you are taxed as you earn, taxed again on the money you save, and the money is taxed again when you die.
It isn’t the less well off who can afford to pay someone to sort it out for them, but it’s one reason why millionaires stay rich.

I don't work ☹

Surely it's pretty obvious who he is referring to?
Go out, stay in, whatever. Working!

I disagree.
People who save money that has been earned, and taxed,should be allowed to invest it if they wish, and not be taxed again.