Sir K claims "a budget for Working People", ha!!!

And what about the pensioners who do not have ‘tens of thousands in the bank.’ They have worked all their lives and deserve a reasonable pension

No.
They are making copy because it sells, in all its forms.
It is Labour supporters, who are anti-criticism.

You’re funny eazybee. We all know that nobody likes criticism of the party they support when they don’t consider it is justified. It’s not a Labour thing specifically, you rise to the bait like almost everybody else does.

I haven't managed to read every thread ( having eye probs ) but I would like to add this

The bus fares up from £2 per journey to £3 so a working person who catches the bus five days a week will pay £30 . This person is likely to be on minimum wage .

A family of 4 catching the bus into town will pay £24 return!

As a pensioner I would happily pay an amount towards my bus fare rather than travel free . Can you imagine the financial worries of a family going to buy new school shoes or uniforms after paying this bus fare .

I am beyond annoyed and we haven't had the budget yet .

Starmer said " those with wide shoulders " etc . These are ordinary people earning minimum wage , these are working people .

these are working people

Ah but...... we're still waiting for the definition of what one of those is Toetoe, Starmer is still chewing on it.

Hopefully the rise in the minimum wage will go some way to making up for the extra £10 per week that has been added to their costs of going to work.

Still, let us all bite the bullet so that the billionaires don't have to open their wallets!

JamesandJon33

And what about the pensioners who do not have ‘tens of thousands in the bank.’ They have worked all their lives and deserve a reasonable pension

I covered the inevitable 'whatabout' in my last post.

Yes, some pensioners have worked all their lives, and I agree that they deserve a reasonable pension. Can you point to where I said anything to the contrary?

No, I just missed your all embracing post

Toetoe

I haven't managed to read every thread ( having eye probs ) but I would like to add this

The bus fares up from £2 per journey to £3 so a working person who catches the bus five days a week will pay £30 . This person is likely to be on minimum wage .

A family of 4 catching the bus into town will pay £24 return!

As a pensioner I would happily pay an amount towards my bus fare rather than travel free . Can you imagine the financial worries of a family going to buy new school shoes or uniforms after paying this bus fare .

I am beyond annoyed and we haven't had the budget yet .

Starmer said " those with wide shoulders " etc . These are ordinary people earning minimum wage , these are working people .

I agree, up to a point, Toetoe, but can you imagine the howls of outrage if free passes were scrapped for pensioners? Just as with the WFP, people who never use a bus would be incandescent.

Also, the cheap bus fares (which I do benefit from, as a non-driver who doesn't yet have a bus pass) have not been around for ever. They were brought in to mitigate the cost of living disaster, and to encourage people to use public transport after Covid.

I am very much in favour of any measure that stops people going everywhere by car, so am pleased that they haven't been scrapped. My fares when I was going into work every day - so over 7 years ago - were £12 a day, with no option of a season ticket (the only saving was on a return fare), so even £3 each way represents a 50% saving on seven year old costs (I don't know what the daily fare would be now for purposes of comparison, but fares went up every September, so I'd be surprised if it would be less than £20, so £80 for a family of 4, against £24 with £3 fares, which are still a huge saving.

Sorry - the end of that post was garbled, as I edited then posted without proofreading, so I hope it makes some sort of sense.

Andy Burnam is keeping the fares at £2 for another year at least. But then he is a leader that cares about people.

Ilovecheese

Andy Burnam is keeping the fares at £2 for another year at least. But then he is a leader that cares about people.

You are aware that the £3 charge is a maximum aren’t you Ilovecheese, not a minimum - and that devolved nations and councils can all set their own rates if they wish to? As only 4.2% of the total working population travel to work by bus according to the 2021 census, while of course it will affect some people, it’s not as big a deal in the greater scheme of things as you’re making it out to be.

Time will tell, of course, but I live under a Tory Council, so can bet my boots that the fares will rise to the max. They really don't seem to be able to envisage a world in which not everyone has their own car. We'll see, though.

I'm puzzled by the fact that Starmer is an ex-barrister and yet he doesn't come across as being very bright or over-endowed with common sense.

I was wondering that too mumtothree !!! Starmer, Rayner, Reeves, Dowden, Lammy; let us say no more.

He is far from inarticulate.
Whatever Labour do it will be more beneficial to ordinary people than the self serving Tories have done in 14 years

mum2three

I'm puzzled by the fact that Starmer is an ex-barrister and yet he doesn't come across as being very bright or over-endowed with common sense.

How can you say that about someone that has achieved what he has without having the benefit of a public school education?

MayBee70. Starmer had a privileged education. Obviously privilege pays off for some?

.He was educated at a Grammar, later fee-paying school.
Mum2three is absolutely right; he doesn't seem able to think on his feet, indulge in dazzling repartee or answer straightforward questions. Common sense? I think he is out of his depth, like Rayner, but unlike her he recognises it. I think this why he went into CPS because he cannot have been much good in court.

eazybee but after a good education at Leeds University, KS studied at Oxford so Oxford, currently top status in the world rankings is the embodiment of privilege. KS was clearly very aspirational from early on.

ronib

eazybee but after a good education at Leeds University, KS studied at Oxford so Oxford, currently top status in the world rankings is the embodiment of privilege. KS was clearly very aspirational from early on.

Nothing wrong with being aspirational. As long as it’s due to sheer ability and not how much money people can spend on their child’s education.

I recognise Keir Starmer educational achievements and his aspirations, but he is not delivering now, is he? His performance is not that of a man supposed to be a top notch barrister.

Grunty

^these are working people^

Ah but...... we're still waiting for the definition of what one of those is Toetoe, Starmer is still chewing on it.

Let’s once and for all put this right.
He said working people are those who earn the bulk of their income from work

Ie, not the bulk from investments. It’s not rocket science is it 🤦🏼‍♀️