Conservative Party Leader announcement...

Oh dear.

Should have been Cleverly.

Don’t agree the tories promote on ability and Labour on diversity. Also strongly disagree with your views on Lammy and Reeves

FriedGreenTomatoes2

At least we agree about Dawn Butler Iam. 😁
She’s dreadful.

So sick of the black v white - just get on with the job. Butler is a nasty piece of work with a chip on both shoulders.

The Tories promote on merit, which is why they have had four female leaders and people from different races in senior government roles over the years.

Labour promotes on what they call diversity, which is why they have a black foreign secretary (Lammy) and a female chancellor (Reeves), both of whom are clearly not up to their jobs.

Don't care if she is a she, or black.

She is just not up to the job- and is the final nail in the Tory coffin for a very long time. Who will benefit- Lib Dems, or Reform. I know what I hope for.

I'll reserve judgement.

But she was caught out fibbing in the last leadership election contest.

I think it's naive to pretend our society has no racist or misogynist tendencies.

Its not about "black versus white" or"men against women" on an "either/or" spectrum.

but more about acceptance and valuing difference - and ensuring representation and respect.

Just look at the nature of some of the threats aimed at women MP's - rape and violence is not uncommon, and racist threats too.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ngzgjdw7no

Wyllow3

I think it's naive to pretend our society has no racist or misogynist tendencies.

I totally agree, but has anybody on here pretended that??

That's my perception, yes.

I’m going to watch to see if you get hauled over the coals for making vague references instead of naming those you’re accusing.
I don’t expect it will happen, but it will help in future.

MayBee70

Galaxy

I think if they have sense it will be Badenoch although she is a risk. She could start a fight in an empty room but she has some sort of vision I think.

I don’t like her vision at all…

Uhm, what is that vision. She has stated until ,if, she's elected she won't set out her"vision". Whatever you might think it is.

I don’t like her vision at all…

Uhm, what is that vision. She has stated until ,if, she's elected she won't set out her"vision". Whatever you might think it is.

And even if she had declared what she would do, we have just seen how easily a declaration can change once you’re in power.

Her first challenge is to identify a competent shadow cabinet who will be prepared to support her. She needs some experienced shadow ministers, and the pool is not large as some have already bowed out.

It’s a bit of a poisoned chalice

Freya5

MayBee70

Galaxy

I think if they have sense it will be Badenoch although she is a risk. She could start a fight in an empty room but she has some sort of vision I think.

I don’t like her vision at all…

Uhm, what is that vision. She has stated until ,if, she's elected she won't set out her"vision". Whatever you might think it is.

I don't recognise this claim. Badenoch has set out her "vision":

cdn.prod.website-files.com/66e290977b0f17041797e6ae/66fb3a4aa6d5bf17f7481ed1_Conservatism%20in%20Crisis.pdf

I am going to wait and see about Badenoch.

I did want Jenrick.

What is being done about Dawn Butler and her text?
Downing Street has declined to comment.
Why?

I don’t think it really matters who leads the Tory party at the moment - it’s just a holding position. The Tories change their leaders to suit the political landscape.

They’ll install someone they consider ‘more electable’ nearer the next election. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sunak back again.

madalene

Mollygo

Labour MP shares post saying Kemi Badenoch is ‘blackface of white supremacy’
Dawn Butler later removed comment from X profile as Government ministers congratulated new Conservative leader on her election

Good grief, you couldn’t make it up.
Whatever is the matter with people like her (Dawn Butler) ?

I wonder if she'll be arrested under the hate crime laws.
If not why not.

I really don't think they wanted Jenrick as he would have stayed the course and still be in place for the next election. Hence, they selected Kemi who will not stay the course and then they can install who they really wanted but not yet 'in there'.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sunak back again.

I would. He now has the name for biggest defeat?

No coming back from that I would have thought.

If he was well rated, everyone would have said something by now.

There’s a rumour going around that two Whips demanded Sunak call the election when he did. If true, the Whips could do with a major shake up too.
If Sunak couldn’t see off two Whips, he might not be in the right job?

My bet on the leader for the next election is Penny Mordaunt, I think she will come back via a by-election and the political middle ground will become the battleground again. I feel sorry for Sunak, because I think if he had been leader at a different time he would have done much better, the legacy of the previous leaders was too big a mountain for anybody. My guess is that he will leave parliament altogether.

Rookie mistake Kemi. Being interviewed by LK. Started off by saying she thinks partygate was overblown and penalties shouldn’t have been issued. Am afraid public opinion does not reflect this, was much made at the time of the queen having to attend her DHs funeral and sit alone.
Not to mention how others had to miss funerals or even being at a loved one’s bedside when they died.
Not a great thing to say when starting off her leadership.

Fair enough fancythat - I’m probably wrong about Sunak. Still might be worth a cheeky bet though

Ah yes Casdon I’d forgotten about Penny Mordant. I think you’re right - she would be the ‘Return of Thatcher’ the Tories are longing for.

I also agree with you about Sunak - wrong place at the wrong time for him. I think he’s essentially a decent man, but following Johnson then Truss … you wouldn’t wish it on your worst enemy🙈