Could Kamala Harris Sue Trump For Slander?

theworriedwell

petra

theworriedwell

No the context doesn't make it OK for me. He knows what his followers are like and that remark was dangerous. Then again he is a dangerous man fullstop.

This video might help you to understand the context

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc6z0ztrj44

Please don't patronise me, it is incredibly rude. I understand quite well how people are seeking to justify what he said but suggesting to his gun toting supporters, who tried to kill Pence for him, that she needs to be shot in the face is not OK.

That isn't exactly what he said. Did you read what Dickens pointed out on the other thread?

I don't like Trump, either, but the context made it clearer.

Galaxy

I dont know how to explain it any more than I have.

A man who is a leader of some very odd gun toting people suggested shooting a woman in her face. Do you seriously think they are going to be weighing up the context or thinking "Donald wants her shot in the face." He needs to be more responsible, like I said earlier he nearly got Pence killed.

MaizieD

theworriedwell

petra

theworriedwell

No the context doesn't make it OK for me. He knows what his followers are like and that remark was dangerous. Then again he is a dangerous man fullstop.

This video might help you to understand the context

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc6z0ztrj44

Please don't patronise me, it is incredibly rude. I understand quite well how people are seeking to justify what he said but suggesting to his gun toting supporters, who tried to kill Pence for him, that she needs to be shot in the face is not OK.

That isn't exactly what he said. Did you read what Dickens pointed out on the other thread?

I don't like Trump, either, but the context made it clearer.

He said, “Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” Trump said. “And let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

Do you think some of his extreme supporters are going to be worrying about context? He knows how his people react and he should act responsibly.

As in when, M61?

If you are now saying we have to control our speech not because it is wrong but because of how some people may interpret it then I am more scared of that than anything Trump could say.

We cant possibly have any conversations about war and its futility can we?, 'it is the officer class who sit in safety, I wonder what would happens if it was their sons being shot at?'
Do you think the above means people are wishing the sons of officers should be shot. Of course context is important, unless you want all ideas and thinking to be so banal no one is able to explore issues.

There was a far higher death rate among officers in WW1

That's not the point I am making. It is that that sort of language has been used since wars began.

I know. Doesn't exactly help though.

Wyllow3

As in when, M61?

She always bad mouthing him

Galaxy

If you are now saying we have to control our speech not because it is wrong but because of how some people may interpret it then I am more scared of that than anything Trump could say.

So you'd be comfortable if he'd said that about you? We know some of his followers are violent and unbalanced, we only need to look at 6th January to see that very clearly and yes we have to take responsibility for what we say.

I'll give you an example, I used to work in an organisation that cared for people with serious mental health issues. I was on the admin side but when I started I did the induction that all staff did. One of the first things we were told, it might have been the first, was be careful what you say and he went on to illustrate it like this, you are working with a colleague and you are annoyed at something he has done so say he's left the milk out again and it has gone sour so no milk for cereal or tea for breakfast. In your exasperation you say you'd like to throttle him, you don't mean it, it is a throw away remark. Half an hour later one of the men you care for come to you smiling and tell you not to worry, he's throttled him for you. As adults we do need to be responsible, you think Trump was being responsible I think he wasn't. I only hope that woman doesn't get shot in the face.

Galaxy

We cant possibly have any conversations about war and its futility can we?, 'it is the officer class who sit in safety, I wonder what would happens if it was their sons being shot at?'
Do you think the above means people are wishing the sons of officers should be shot. Of course context is important, unless you want all ideas and thinking to be so banal no one is able to explore issues.

No that isn't the same as what Trump said. He could have said I wonder what she'd think if she was the one being shot at. He didn't.

Mt61

Wyllow3

As in when, M61?

She always bad mouthing him

Yes, she engages in critiquing in the strongest words.

But she never advocates violence, which is a continual, everyday part of Trump's normal speeches.

Good article in the Washington Post:
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/01/liz-cheney-trump-guns-shooting/

First part is on Cheney then discusses Trumps violent rhetoric.

(does give Trumps words on Cheney in detail)

"“She’s a radical war hawk,” Trump said of Cheney, following a tangent about his pardon in 2018 of Lewis “Scooter” Libby, a former top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, her father. “Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

"Trump followed up with a social media post on Friday saying his point was that Cheney herself would not fight. He also doubled down on insulting her intelligence, calling her a “War Hawk, and a dumb one at that.”
“If you ever put her into the field of battle, she’d be the first one to chicken out,” Trump told reporters at a campaign stop at a coffee shop in Michigan on Friday. “She wouldn’t fight, she’d chicken out so fast, and that’s all I say."

He's just such an embarrassment to USA

Yes I would be fine with someone saying that about me what you are advocating terrifies me much more than any nonsense that Trump could say.

Hurling insults at each other seems to be the norm in American politics. Sadly, it's happening in British politics too. What exactly is the point?

BlueBelle

Well someone needs to sue the man who called Pueto Rico a rubbish tip in the ocean or put some ever lasting tape over his horrible mean mouth

Just to put it in context . No I am not endorsing Trump whatsoever, and could think of better ways of helping these people than to criticise,but the problems are there, whatever you may think.
globalpressjournal.com/americas/puerto-rico/trash-crisis-leaves-puerto-rico-brink/?origin=serp_auto

A frivolous comment, but every time the title of this thread appears I wonder who Sue Trump is.

Galaxy

Yes I would be fine with someone saying that about me what you are advocating terrifies me much more than any nonsense that Trump could say.

Lets hope the crowds who stormed the Capitol calling for the blood of Pence and Nancy Pelosi feel the same about his nonsense. I'm not convinced and can't see why he couldn't just say "How would she feel if she was the one being shot at?" Which would work with the mentally challenged supporters and everyone else.

Wyllow3

(does give Trumps words on Cheney in detail)

"“She’s a radical war hawk,” Trump said of Cheney, following a tangent about his pardon in 2018 of Lewis “Scooter” Libby, a former top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, her father. “Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

"Trump followed up with a social media post on Friday saying his point was that Cheney herself would not fight. He also doubled down on insulting her intelligence, calling her a “War Hawk, and a dumb one at that.”
“If you ever put her into the field of battle, she’d be the first one to chicken out,” Trump told reporters at a campaign stop at a coffee shop in Michigan on Friday. “She wouldn’t fight, she’d chicken out so fast, and that’s all I say."

Of course he was first in line to join the military. Was it flat feet that prevented him being heroic?

It was this:

www.snopes.com/news/2024/06/16/draft-deferments-donald-trump/

Well she can try to sue Trump but seeing as he is no stranger to the courts or to getting away with whatever he is accused of I wouldn’t rate her chances.

This comment is hardly the worst he has said, unfortunately. NOTHING ever happens to him. In the US, anyone can sue for anything. In this case, his defense would be free speech. So basically, it isn't worth it to sue him. He has stacked most of the courts in his favor anyhow.

The ONLY thing we can do to get rid of him is vote today. Problem is, there is an entire movement he is the figure head of and even if he sails off to quit land (as if he would), the movement will continue.

The Heritage Foundation has been working on this since Regan. If they lose today, they are already talking about Project 2029.

That was supposed to be quiet land, but I would take him quitting too.