The Guardian offers counselling to staff after ‘upsetting’ Trump election result!

Dickens hear, hear👏👏👏

madalene

Whether you see it or you don’t, you can’t do anything about it.

You think?

Some of the freedoms and rights that you enjoy today were actually fought for by people who did see it, and did do something about it.

Iam64

I’d like to make a fuss about our devastated public services. Starmer entirely to blame of course

... oh, don't fuss, Iam64, - we'll be fine (apparently).

And anyway, there's nothing we can do about it, so we should shut-up and stop 'moaning'.

Although those rights that many of us now enjoy, in civil life, and in the workplace, were in fact fought for by people who probably didn't listen to such sage advice.

I think LD, you will find that the common theme of my posts is being dismissive of them as no better than what went before. I never expected much of them, and they have not disappointed me.

Most of what I have said has been to dismiss those who either expected great things - that haven't happened, or expected disaster - which also has not happened. just the same old, same old.

I am always amazed that people can still expect a change of regime to make a massive difference to the governance of the country and its policies. It never has. It never will.

I’d like to make a fuss about our devastated public services. Starmer entirely to blame of course

OK M0nica, if you say so🤷‍♀️

Nevertheless, some of your comments about the new Labour government on recent N&P threads sound very much like making a fuss to me

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LizzieDrip

WellsRose and Dickens I agree with your comments.

M0nica I just think all the fuss about Labour getting in is just so overdone…

LizzieDrip I am in total agreement with you, It is just like the fuss about Trump.

Dickens

^Leaders, good, bad and indifferent come and go, voters either vote like sheep or do not bother and for most of us life goes on and we make the best we can of it, governments adjust the deck chairs now and again, but most of us survive.^

Your cool, insouciant shrug is impressive MOnica.

But your metaphorical reference doesn't really work. A useless task in the face of overwhelming circumstances can have disastrous consequences - over half of the passengers on that ill-fated ship drowned.

Well, precisely. The mistakes were all made further up the line, which, of course, is the way politics works. People a long, long way from the working end, make decisions (like cancelling the winter fuel allowance) then further down the line, all the underlings scramble around making footling remarks trying to justify the decision and , suggesting ineffectual ways of dealing with the problem - in essence moving all those deckchairs.

Whether you see it or you don’t, you can’t do anything about it.

NotSpaghetti

Thanks Dickens - you are right. There is unease in many countries world-wide... and calling unease/concerns "making a fuss" is trivialising.

The lessons of history... etc

I think it's a question of either you see it, or you don't?

Leaders, good, bad and indifferent come and go, voters either vote like sheep or do not bother and for most of us life goes on and we make the best we can of it, governments adjust the deck chairs now and again, but most of us survive.

Your cool, insouciant shrug is impressive MOnica.

But your metaphorical reference doesn't really work. A useless task in the face of overwhelming circumstances can have disastrous consequences - over half of the passengers on that ill-fated ship drowned.

WellsRose and Dickens I agree with your comments.

M0nica I just think all the fuss about Labour getting in is just so overdone…

M0nica

*Wellsrose*, yes, it does, you will not find any posts from me catastrophising Labour. They are already showing how much they share with the Conservatives, snouts in the trough gobbling freebies, they are showing the same level of incompetence in the same re assuring way. The only difference is that Conservatives seem more inclined to have loose trouser zips, while Labour prefer kniving each other in dark alleys.

Leaders, good, bad and indifferent come and go, voters either vote like sheep or do not bother and for most of us life goes on and we make the best we can of it, governments adjust the deck chairs now and again, but most of us survive.

Made me chuckle on a Monday morning Monica😃

Wellsrose, yes, it does, you will not find any posts from me catastrophising Labour. They are already showing how much they share with the Conservatives, snouts in the trough gobbling freebies, they are showing the same level of incompetence in the same re assuring way. The only difference is that Conservatives seem more inclined to have loose trouser zips, while Labour prefer kniving each other in dark alleys.

Leaders, good, bad and indifferent come and go, voters either vote like sheep or do not bother and for most of us life goes on and we make the best we can of it, governments adjust the deck chairs now and again, but most of us survive.

M0nica

*Dickens*, as GN is the only social media I use, i have no idea what is said elsewhere. My remarks were general, not specific to anyone.

I just think all the fuss about Trump getting in is just so overdone. he is an unpleasant man, but we have already survived 4 years of him. I am sure we can survive another 4. Most importanly, he is clearly the choice of the American people and we need toe respect their choice.

All this maoning and catastrophying about how awful his presidency will be is only playing into the hands of Trump and his supporters. If we could only, just act rationally and say, fair enough, I wouldn't vote for him, but that is what the American want so lets get on with living with him and approach him and his adminsitration in an open and friendly way (bit inwardly guarded) we can actually take a lot of the sting out of him.

Trump thrives on being exceptional in being hated as much as he is loved, he thrives on the power knowing every other country is scared of him and all right thinking people(as those to the left of him see themselves) are up in moral arms against him.

Your actions are actually building him up and making him great again.

The way forward is to shrug your shoulders, to say, Trump, nothing special. he thrives on opposition, take it away from him. By that i do not mean agree or support him, just turn him into a shrug of the shoulders.

So does that apply to Labour? We have lots of people starting or replying to threads about awful things will be under Labour. Aren't they moaning and catastrophising ? Comments like pensioners will freeze to death etc.

Thanks Dickens - you are right. There is unease in many countries world-wide... and calling unease/concerns "making a fuss" is trivialising.

WellsRose

Blimey all this fuss over an email from an organisation saying that it offered an old door to its employees.

I couldn't stop laughing over that - it's a priceless piece of predictive-text being a smart arse!

I just think all the fuss about Trump getting in is just so overdone.

... but, there you go again MOnica - fuss?

Posters are articulating their fears about what this might mean for our economy, or whether this man who appears to evaporate when criticised or questioned... fires off like a loose cannon with all kinds of veiled threats against his 'enemies', and who has some very unstable individuals (with guns) who absorb his rhetoric; this man who seems to have cast absolutely all caution to the wind in order to rile people up about mass deportations.

There's an awful lot of people around the world who feel a sense of unease at Trump being one of the most powerful men in the world. When people like Trump are invested with so much power, it's not unnatural for people to be concerned how he might use or abuse it.

But, OK - you see it as simply a "fuss" - and "moaning". To me, it seems like an attempt to invalidate people's concerns. It's a way of trivialising them, and deprecating those that have these concerns.

Still, free speech is important, you're entitled to your view.

How very novel.....

What would be a good idea is having a group of countries closer to us than the US, that we could trade with freely. We get goods from them, they get goods from us, with no tariffs and far fewer air miles.

Oh wait a minute …

Yes, one of the biggest problems if we "followed" the USA would be the effects on our farmers. It was in the article, too.

I didn't think much of that article overall, will wait to see what RR actually does say.

I think the Brexiters are keeping a low profie on the tariffs issue, Wyllow.

I seem to recall that the last time the UK tried for a free trade agreement with the US it was on condition that we took their hormone fed beef and chlorinated chicken and we weren't to label them with their country of origin! Wasn't that during the last Trump regime? I doubt he'd be so easy us now as he'd know we were desperate to avoid tariffs being port on anything we export to them and would be ready to roll over to any demands...

I had to laugh at the front page story in the Observer. 'We'll oppose Trump's plans to slap tariffs on the UK - Reeves'. Does she seriously think that he'd be bothered by our 'opposition'? 😂

Or, perhaps MOnica could tell us?

Oreo

I don’t think it’s the champagne quaffing that annoys people it’s more the attitude from some politically left wing that think they know best what the working classes want and is good for them.
That’s one reason that DT won.Those in power weren’t listening.

So what would you say that the working classes want, *Oreo'?

We're continually being told about people not knowing, or thinking they know best, what the working classes want, but none of the people who tell us this seem to want to spell out what the working classes actually want.

At the moment it seems to be a secret known only to an enlightened few which they are not prepared to share