Amsterdam attacks

Oh, so it is true that pro Palestinians planned attacks beforehand on SM saying ‘let’s get the Jews!’ But it isn’t at all antiSemitic of course ( yeah right).
It doesn’t make you anti semitic Babs03 it just makes your comments unbelievably naive at best and at worst a blind refusal to see the truth and yes, very sad to see apologists for the Dutch thugs.

Iam64

Are you asking me MaizieD? I’ve not discussed it but can predict my Jewish friends are as horrified ny the behaviiur of both sets of fans as any other sensible person might be

Yes, and that is good news, balance is everything, but that sadly isn't what we are seeing in the media right now with the Israeli thugs getting away with it on the grounds of it being antisemitic whilst their Islamophobic rants are to be dismissed apparently. And is true that some Palestinians planned attacks beforehand but this is nothing new with football hooligans, as someone who lived through the very worst years of such hooliganism groups like Combat 18 would also plan attacks at football matches.
Both sides behaved reprehensibly but only one side is punished whilst the other side get an apology from the King of the Netherlands and the Mayor etc.
And if saying this makes me antisemitic then that is more a sad reflection upon all of us than a reprimand. For this is being used more and more to stifle debate about the Israeli government and what is happening in Gaza and to give Israelis in general immunity and impunity when behaving badly abroad.

Are you asking me MaizieD? I’ve not discussed it but can predict my Jewish friends are as horrified ny the behaviiur of both sets of fans as any other sensible person might be

Imo it's quite proper this thread can include discussions around what's happening with the current Israeli regime - what's happening in Amsterdam is a result of it. Just as it was relevant to posters upthread who raised the issues of anti semitism on a London March, or different POV on all the events from a Jewish perspective.

ferry23

Of course they're not Anniebach. Not everyone is going to agree on anything all the time and we all know that.

There ought to be a thread for those who smugly come along and proclaim

"Look here, I've found a Jew who doesn't agree..."

...as if they should get a prize or some kind of accolade for discovering that people have different opinions.

And even if the thread isn't specifically about the Israeli government's actions, they do their best to make it so.

To suit their own bigotry.

I think it would be rather curious to expect everyone to toe the line on a thread involving Israelis by not mentioning what is happening with the Israeli government, other threads on here generally meander in a direction dictated by those commenting and nothing is said about this with all other topics. I expect anything about the US will result in criticisms of Trump. This isn’t bigotry, is the opposite, is freedom of speech. Or are we supposed to observe sone kind of Omertà where Israeli politics is involved. Which isn’t the way of democratic governments which expect to be criticised but the way of the Mafia.

So do your friends believe that a mob of Israeli football supporters who cause trouble in a foreign capital are total innocents who were just minding their own business when they tore down and burned Palestinian flags, attacked a taxi driver and damaged his vehicle, failed to show respect for a one minute silence for the victims of the Spanish flooding and went on the rampage chanting anti Palestine songs, and providing themselves with weapons and attacking Dutch citizens, were completely justified? And with members of Mossad with them. The Israeli Secret Service. What were they doing there?

Any retaliation was not 'anti semitic', it was anti thugs and hooligans. The Israeli fans behaved disgracefully.

There is nothing bigoted about questioning the story of the events in Amsterdam which has been promoted in the media.

Indigo8

Anyone who thinks that all Jewish people are supporters of the Israeli war should look up Miriam Margolyes on Youtube and listen to what she has to say. I gather that her views are shared by several other members of the Jewish community.

Please please stop this notion that postures who express any sympathy towards Jewish people somehow have limited intelligence and believe all Jewish people support the war.

Miriam Margoluyes is of course, entitled to express her views. That doesn’t mean she’s right. I gather her views are shared by several other members of the Jewish community. Only several?! Don’t be naive. I can’t identify one member of my friends in ‘the Jewish community’ who support Netenyahu or his war. They do want the hostages returned and the war to stop. A close friend who lost every member of his extended family to Auschwitz, that is everyone except his parents who got out before the Nazi invasion of Krakow - lost his cousin in the October 23 murders. He doesn’t support Netenyahu but wants the hostages returned, he’s a very ‘ordinary’ British Jewish man

Of course they're not Anniebach. Not everyone is going to agree on anything all the time and we all know that.

There ought to be a thread for those who smugly come along and proclaim

"Look here, I've found a Jew who doesn't agree..."

...as if they should get a prize or some kind of accolade for discovering that people have different opinions.

And even if the thread isn't specifically about the Israeli government's actions, they do their best to make it so.

To suit their own bigotry.

I don’t think uTube and X are reliable sources, and every Jew on the planet is not going agree,

Great advice here - look at some unsubstantiated ramblings of a 13 year old and listen to Miriam Margolyes.

Surprised the UN hasn't called upon them to solve the problems in the Middle East.

Interesting thread from X by a Jew

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1855236028384117200.html

Another one not enchanted by Israel, it seems

No thank you

Anyone who thinks that all Jewish people are supporters of the Israeli war should look up Miriam Margolyes on Youtube and listen to what she has to say. I gather that her views are shared by several other members of the Jewish community.

The 13year old must have adults with him?

I was in central London this weekend, and saw no sign of any trouble. I'm not even sure where the march took place?
Anyway it got me thinking that in Amsterdam, a city ten times smaller than London, maybe the attacks seemed all the more intense and concerning. I'm not belittling the events, they shouldn't happen anywhere, but maybe the scale had a bearing.
The 13 year old in the video seems to get around to locations very quickly in his video, something which would be impossible to achieve given the size of London.
Also, I wonder why the Dutch police weren't able to contain it better.

Wyllow3

Marches and rallies are intended by their nature to be provocative, bring issues to public attention, but I think the choice of today could re-bound in terms of intentions to gather support.

Marches and rallies are intended by their nature to be provocative

Including the Remembrance Day Parade?

Marches and rallies are intended by their nature to be provocative, bring issues to public attention, but I think the choice of today could re-bound in terms of intentions to gather support.

Surely the march been arranged for today is not provocative ,
And pigs do fly

Incidentally TR is in prison now, so somewhat irrelevant at the moment.

I know that Maizie.
Last year was only a month after 07/10/23 and I think feelings were running high in the whole population.
This year it’s a different matter. Over a year has gone by, and it would have been respectful to have marched yesterday, on Saturday, which is the day the marches usually take place.

It does show disrespect though, they could have marched yesterday.

As I recall, 'they marched yesterday' last year, but it still didn't satisfy the anti Palestinians...

And last year's trouble at the Cenotaph was caused by Tommy Robinson supporters. Palestinian protestors were nowhere near it and had never intended to be anywhere near it.

Nothing was done, the officer didn’t even apologise, just as well I suppose, it would have been hypocritical

I’m watching the Remembrance parade on BBC now. There are clearly no protesters anywhere nearby. The roads will have been closed and no doubt the protesters given instructions as to where they can actually march.
It does show disrespect though, they could have marched yesterday. Today appears to have been chosen specifically.

Anniebach

Much here has been discussed many times, the man dared to leave a synagogue , shock horror , no it was antisemitism

Yes it was anti-semitism, and the incident caused a furore at the very highest levels of government and police. The young man concerned is the Chief Executive or the Campaign against anti Semitism, articulate, and I believe really made a difference.

I hope the march today is entirely peaceful, as violence has no place, it merely echoes what they condemn.