Donald and Elon: two immature guys running the entire US economy.

Wyllow3

How can you say Musk hasn't got a political agenda? he consistently uses X to post pro Trump and anti our current govt posts.

Don't know about Trump. But agree with his posts re our awful government. Who, let's face it, have no one who has ever run any business whatsoever, and it shows.

I wish Trump was our prime minister, he would sort our little country out in a week.

The labour government are taking money off farmers but sending millions and millions of pounds to other countries to help with their farming. They have taken the pensioners winter fuel allowance off them but pensioners who are living in warm climates after emigrating still get theirs. They are giving free housing in hotels along with all the perks, mobile phones, food, free bus passes to illegal immigants but letting their own British born and bred citizens freeze, sleep on the streets and starve because of the high energy bills and taxes.

I honestly think this labour government do not like the British born and bred people and want our country to become a Muslim one.

You can source all this info online.

He has no more of a political agenda than Murdoch he backs the party that reflects his opinions and uses his media to promote them. He has been given the task of making government more efficient, I don’t see that as political, don’t we all want to eliminate waste in government.

Wyllow3

How can you say Musk hasn't got a political agenda? he consistently uses X to post pro Trump and anti our current govt posts.

Musk, like Trump, deals in transactional relationships. He is with Trump as long as he gets what he wants, which is reduced controls on his internet operations and limited control of his various businesses: those involving space and cars.

Trump will stick with Musk as long as X supports him and he can rub off some glory from Musk's businesses.

This if course goes alongside Trump not getting his "pick" into leadership of the Senate, a good sign of some checks and balances.

Well - Matt Gaetz is out, off the list as Attorney General.

Just 6 days ago

Now, it appears, Gaetz will be at the frontlines of Trump’s efforts to bring the justice department to heel.

The department also investigated Gaetz himself.
Last year, it declined to bring charges over allegations he violated sex-trafficking laws during a trip he took to the Bahamas with paid escorts.

He was the subject of an ongoing ethics investigation in the House of Representatives into allegations of sexual misconduct, illicit drug use and misuse of campaign fund.

What's happened for Trump to lose his nominee? Several steps too far for the Senate and other leading Republicans.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99r2m4y2zro

"Losing his first choice is a setback to Trump and shows the reluctance of the Senate in ushering through a man who has no shortage of enemies in Congress.

The woman Trump has picked instead, another Floridian Pam Bondi, would seem to have more allies and a smoother path ahead"

How can you say Musk hasn't got a political agenda? he consistently uses X to post pro Trump and anti our current govt posts.

I don’t see Trump and Musk “falling out”, Musk is an advisor either his ideas are put into practice or he will loose interest and go away to make more money.

He's not got a political agenda, he doesn’t care whether he is popular or not. Why he bought Twitter is a mystery to me, I guess he got bored with everything else, or maybe just because he could.

Yes mae give them a chance !
Anything would be better than this shower of lying TowRsgs we have got . Bleeding our Country Dry

I think there is going to be a falling out. Trump will not let anyone really share the limelight, he never has and I cant imagine him starting now.

Trump has appointed a cabinet of some quite bizarre individuals (like Kennedy, vaccine denier, as Heath Minister)

If posters can spare the time, this article lists the appointments and their records.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/15/outrageous-appointments-donald-trump-anti-vaxxer

just a flavour of it:

"The proposed counterpart over at the Pentagon, set to be in charge of the mightiest, richest military in human history, is the weekend host of Fox News’s breakfast show, Pete Hegseth. Admittedly, he served in Iraq and Afghanistan – and as a prison guard in Guantánamo Bay

– but Hegseth has never run a whelk stall, let alone one of the world’s biggest organisations, employing close to 3 million people. His rank inexperience would be worrying enough, until you become familiar with what he believes.

He’s covered in tattoos, including symbols favoured by the Christian nationalist far right, among them the slogan Deus Vult and the Jerusalem cross, which celebrates the medieval Crusades when Christians earned their spurs slaughtering infidel Muslims and Jews. These days, he backs the ultra-right Jewish fundamentalists who seek to rebuild the ancient temple on Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, the site revered by Muslims as al-Haram al-Sharif, a move so incendiary it’s a byword for triggering holy war."

sassenach512Elon Musk still needs to be elected and if there’s a good Democrat standing, it’s not a done deal. Michelle Obama might be ready by then?

In a nightmare scenario in four years time and Trump is out, I envisage Elon Musk up for election for President. He has already bought his place beside Trump, which is obviously why he did it in the first place. It's logical to assume he could very well be his successor. Imagine the richest man in the world given such power?
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

MaizieD

Deedaa said that her US son in law has been 'over here' for 30 years. I read 'over here' as being in the UK.

As he has been in the UK for 30 years and has presumably worked in the UK during that period, how can his use of the NHS possibly be called health tourism?

I did presume so was in US

The appointment of Gaetz as Attorney General was controversial even in the Republican camp.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2k0472q8v0o

Best to read the whole article but here's bits. His intentions are to control Justice politically

"In 2018, he brought a right-wing Holocaust denier to the State of the Union, and later tried to expel two fathers who lost children in a mass shooting from a hearing after they objected to a claim he made about gun control.

In a social media post, Trump spelled out how he intends to use Gaetz as a wrecking ball to radically change the US Department of Justice, which he has regularly blamed for his multiple legal troubles.

“Matt will root out the systemic corruption at the DOJ, and return the department to its true mission of fighting crime and upholding our democracy and constitution,” he wrote.

During the campaign, Trump promised retribution for the numerous investigations launched against him

Now, it appears, Gaetz will be at the frontlines of Trump’s efforts to bring the justice department to heel.

The department also investigated Gaetz himself.
Last year, it declined to bring charges over allegations he violated sex-trafficking laws during a trip he took to the Bahamas with paid escorts.

He was the subject of an ongoing ethics investigation in the House of Representatives into allegations of sexual misconduct, illicit drug use and misuse of campaign fund.

His bombastic approach means he has no shortage of enemies, including within his own party. And so Trump's choice of Gaetz for this crucial role is a signal to those Republicans, too - his second administration will be staffed by loyalists who he trusts to enact his agenda, conventional political opinion be damned.

Precisely this person spent all her working life in the Uk. 30 years

MaizieD I don’t agree that the scenario is not the same. The person I know may well relocate back here in 5 years time and her access to the NHS even having been born here is not the same.

ronib

MaizieD I know that having worked in the Uk for 30 years, then relocating abroad and becoming a dual citizen of that country makes it difficult to use the NHS when on holiday here. I don’t know the exact details but….

Am I losing my comprehension skills or is it you, ronib. That is not the scenario that is being discussed.

MaizieD I know that having worked in the Uk for 30 years, then relocating abroad and becoming a dual citizen of that country makes it difficult to use the NHS when on holiday here. I don’t know the exact details but….

Deedaa said that her US son in law has been 'over here' for 30 years. I read 'over here' as being in the UK.

As he has been in the UK for 30 years and has presumably worked in the UK during that period, how can his use of the NHS possibly be called health tourism?

Australia is over governed. Maybe not so much as the UK but we are getting there.

Freya5

David49

Deedaa

With regard to how much better off Americans are compared with us, I can only say that my American son in law has been over here for 30 years and has no intention of going back. With the health problems he's had during the last 10 years be would be bankrupt and homeless by now if he'd had to rely on American "health care"

Yes, it’s called health tourism, my wife’s sister is going to do that they have earned a lot of money in the US they plan to retire back to the UK and take advantage of free healthcare

If they are British citizens you can't really call it health tourism, can you?? You hear of them coming from Spain, not sure why as their system is better than ours, but of course you have to have health insurance , but if they're British what can we do. It's all a complete and utter mess. Not sure you'd be able to do that in any other country in the world. Especially America.

No not health tourism it’s the closest phrase I could think of to cover the situation, they would of course save the insurance premiums they pay in the US and insurance does not cover everything.

I like the US ( except the food) but would not want to live there, Im too old, if I was young and could get in it’s a good prospect for a better life. Australia is good too.

David49

Deedaa

With regard to how much better off Americans are compared with us, I can only say that my American son in law has been over here for 30 years and has no intention of going back. With the health problems he's had during the last 10 years be would be bankrupt and homeless by now if he'd had to rely on American "health care"

Yes, it’s called health tourism, my wife’s sister is going to do that they have earned a lot of money in the US they plan to retire back to the UK and take advantage of free healthcare

If they are British citizens you can't really call it health tourism, can you?? You hear of them coming from Spain, not sure why as their system is better than ours, but of course you have to have health insurance , but if they're British what can we do. It's all a complete and utter mess. Not sure you'd be able to do that in any other country in the world. Especially America.

yellowfox

Who cares?

About what. I certainly care about "health tourism". The deliberate missuse by foreigners costs about 300 million. A loss for the health Service. We should also insist on health insurance cards for visitors.

Who cares?

Deedaa

With regard to how much better off Americans are compared with us, I can only say that my American son in law has been over here for 30 years and has no intention of going back. With the health problems he's had during the last 10 years be would be bankrupt and homeless by now if he'd had to rely on American "health care"

Yes, it’s called health tourism, my wife’s sister is going to do that they have earned a lot of money in the US they plan to retire back to the UK and take advantage of free healthcare