Oh Mr Starmer … could things be any worse only 4 months in?

I agree with OPs last sentence of her critical post that 4 months is too early to judge and yes Labour do need more time. Any new government would. Especially with the mess it has been left with.

The election was July, just a few weeks before parliament closed for the long summer break, until the end of September, so it’s not 4 full months, more like 4 weeks.

I only need to remember the last 14 years of ineffective Tory government to remind me that things can and must get better.

Well Starmer is back in the UK now. Perhaps he will engage with us all on some of the points. Mind you, he legged it out of a back door after a speech recently rather than answer some questions that farmers wanted to put to him. Not a good look.
I don’t think he feels comfortable talking to the general public unless he’s behind a podium.

So, what might ordinary working people lose their jobs?
I'm not being facetious, it's a genuine question?

Haha, maybe, but I have no idea.

Perhaps toolmakers offspring aren't allowed to work on farms?

MissAdventure

Didn't he work on a farm, then?

I wish I could help MissA, but like you, I have absolutely no idea.
I know his father was a toolmaker though

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Maybe things can only get better.

You think?…..🤨

HousePlantQueen

Yet another tedious and provocative thread. Not everything has gone well with the new govt, I admit, but 4 months is very early days. The main problem is that the press in this country is owned by four old men who will be financially disadvantaged by the new govt and are happy to stir the pot. Regrettably, many on here believe what they are told by Murdoch, Barclay, Beaverbrook and Lebedev. I honestly can't be bothered with GN these days.

You seem not to credit posters with the ability to decide for themselves. Not everyone, in fact very few who have reached the age of most Gransnetters, need a newspaper to tell them what to think. I don’t care what the owners of newspapers say, because I can think for myself.

If you feel you can’t be bothered with GN because you don’t like legitimate criticism expressed by posters about the party you support, then obviously that is your decision.

HousePlantQueen

Yet another tedious and provocative thread. Not everything has gone well with the new govt, I admit, but 4 months is very early days. The main problem is that the press in this country is owned by four old men who will be financially disadvantaged by the new govt and are happy to stir the pot. Regrettably, many on here believe what they are told by Murdoch, Barclay, Beaverbrook and Lebedev. I honestly can't be bothered with GN these days.

And yet, here you are. HPQ.

Labour "being for the working man" seems a bit misplaced. It's true that they've given doctors a much needed substantial pay rise but shop workers, hospitality workers and care assistants are now in great danger of losing their jobs altogether if the warnings of Amazon, Greggs, Next, Aldi, Asda, Boots, Currys, John Lewis, Lidl, Marks & Spencer, Primark and Sainsbury's and 69 other employers are correct.

Didn't he work on a farm, then?

Oh, I thought we were discussing Mr. Starmer's own performance here. If Wes Streeting had been mentioned, I would have been less critical because I think he appears to be taking a long hard look at the situation. For me, Starmer doesn't seem open to much discussion, he is far too repetitive in his meaningless "I do understand" comments, really?, and his "we're facing a different situation due to the black hole". I think his ratings are plummeting because he looks woolly, (well he says he did work on a farm 🐑 🐑), and inexperienced.

Casdon

This thread is a prime candidate for our honorary new Thread category:
“boring politically motivated shit stirring".

Or perhaps Me Me Me it's all about Me?

MissAdventure

love0c

MissAdventure there is so much wrong with your statement, I truly do not know where to start!!

I'm happy to be put right.
I haven't been keeping up with the news recently.

Yes. I’d like to know, too.

Maybe things can only get better.

Grunty

^This thread is a prime candidate for our honorary new Thread category:^
“boring politically motivated shit stirring".

I think you'll find that category archived under the "Isn't Boris Johnson and his crew a useless, lying waste of space". You shouldn't have too much difficulty finding it; it was regularly used.

It is because he was.

Yet another tedious and provocative thread. Not everything has gone well with the new govt, I admit, but 4 months is very early days. The main problem is that the press in this country is owned by four old men who will be financially disadvantaged by the new govt and are happy to stir the pot. Regrettably, many on here believe what they are told by Murdoch, Barclay, Beaverbrook and Lebedev. I honestly can't be bothered with GN these days.

Grunty

^This thread is a prime candidate for our honorary new Thread category:^
“boring politically motivated shit stirring".

I think you'll find that category archived under the "Isn't Boris Johnson and his crew a useless, lying waste of space". You shouldn't have too much difficulty finding it; it was regularly used.

It’s not archived at all, most recently used yesterday under ‘Rachel Reeves fictitious CV’.

M0nica

I am deeply cynical. After 60 years as a voter, nothing has changed with Labour. In government they are full of good intentions but incompetent and in oppositon, the prisoners of the left.

The big difference is that the Conservatives were always nasty but competent. Unfortunately in recent years they have become nasty and incompetent.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

This thread is a prime candidate for our honorary new Thread category:
“boring politically motivated shit stirring".

I think you'll find that category archived under the "Isn't Boris Johnson and his crew a useless, lying waste of space". You shouldn't have too much difficulty finding it; it was regularly used.

love0c

MissAdventure there is so much wrong with your statement, I truly do not know where to start!!

I'm happy to be put right.
I haven't been keeping up with the news recently.

People who voted labour have been totally conned. I'm first to admit that the conservatives had lost their way but there were so many positives to look forward to but this government has got into power with conning the public of this country.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon
This thread is a prime candidate for our honorary new Thread category:
“boring politically motivated shit stirring".

That is uncalled for Casdon

Uncalled for, but not unexpected.

I really hoped for a better standard of governance from Labour, they had 14 years in opposition to get their act together.

Yes, but even using the eternal after the mess the other government left Labour are still finding it hard not to do what they criticised the previous government for doing.
It’s harder to govern than to oppose, it it’s really easy to raise taxes, so that’s what they’re doing (didn’t they say they wouldn’t do that?) and Starmer is busy doing his Iron Lady act so despised by Labour when they weren’t in power.

Those of us who are right of centre have had to put up with thread after thread of name calling and insults towards the Conservative government and on a fair few occasions towards those of us who owned up to voting for them.

Even those who didn’t endorse everything the Conservatives did, had to read those
“boring politically motivated shit stirring".
threads so despised by Casdon.

Why should this Labour government be exempt from criticism?

Why indeed.

it’s because Labour supporters are so used to criticising that they are struggling to be on the receiving end of criticism

I couldn’t agree more.
With their performance to date, all criticism of Labour is justified.
I’m hoping for improvement, but not expecting it.

MissAdventure there is so much wrong with your statement, I truly do not know where to start!!