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Well - what a surprise to hear this news.....

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LovesBach Tue 26-Nov-24 21:42:21

It appears the United States Prosecutor, Jack Smith, has ordered that all charges against Donald Trump be dropped.
Donald Trump had announced his intention to sack Jack Smith as soon as he was sworn in as President.
The one surprising feature of this matter is that it seemed worthy of only page 30 of my newspaper this morning.

Wyllow3 Tue 26-Nov-24 23:00:31

Seems to be related only to the mishandling of government documents at Mar-o-laga? (at this stage)

www.cbsnews.com/news/special-counsel-jack-smith-end-bid-to-revive-trump-documents-case/

But Trump has made no secret that he intends to change the justice system to make judicial appointments political ones.

"Should the disclosure of Smith's findings stall and be delayed into the Trump administration, the odds of its release become increasingly slim as the president-elect has said he intends to nominate many of his top defense attorneys to leadership roles within the Justice Department.

Todd Blanche and Emil Bove, who defended Trump in the two federal cases and in New York, are set to serve as deputy attorney general and principal associate deputy attorney general respectively, two powerful posts within the Justice Department.

Trump has said he will nominate former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi for the top job as attorney general. "

nanna8 Wed 27-Nov-24 08:56:19

You can’t have a crim for a President. I think it was totally expected. Not being an American I am not very familiar with or really know the two sides and who is telling the truth.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 27-Nov-24 09:37:26

Who would have thought it?!

Cossy Wed 27-Nov-24 09:41:56

It’s simply a joke! IMO he shouldn’t have been allowed to run, but then again it’s not my country so let them reap what they sow!

Macadia Wed 27-Nov-24 09:52:36

Unfortunately, we have to reap what they sow as well. There will be a worldwide impact.

Wyllow3 Wed 27-Nov-24 09:53:47

Trying to find out about the cases where he was convicted, found this

"Trump’s eminent return to the White House has left the state-level criminal cases against him in limbo, too.

His sentencing for his criminal conviction in the state of New York, related to the Stormy Daniels payment, has been indefinitely delayed. (BBC)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gvd7kxxj5o

Power corrupts.

Thirty-four felony convictions. Charges of fraud, election subversion, and obstruction.

Gone.

keepingquiet Wed 27-Nov-24 10:15:20

American justice has always been a joke. Look at Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson especially.

Sad thing is we are not much better here either...it's all about the money and protecting the privilege- look at the PO debacle.

Fartooold Wed 27-Nov-24 10:21:20

Oh I am so pleased he has got away with it 🤬

nanna8 Wed 27-Nov-24 11:25:08

keepingquiet

American justice has always been a joke. Look at Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson especially.

Sad thing is we are not much better here either...it's all about the money and protecting the privilege- look at the PO debacle.

You are not wrong ! Isn’t too good where I live,either. We have just allowed a female viscious murderess to have IVF whilst she is still serving her sentence. At taxpayer’s expense of course. You wouldn’t read about it.

Macadia Wed 27-Nov-24 12:07:15

Grounds for impeachment include abuse of power, corruption, negligence in constitutional duties, or actions resulting in loss of public trust.

wibblywobblywobblebottom Thu 28-Nov-24 12:19:52

I've never understood how a convicted criminal could run for president. Then once he is president pardon himself. Probably the main reason he wanted to be President was so he could pardon himself, otherwise he would probably have gone to jail. Plus he has other plans for the USA as well, which could end up affecting us in the UK. The saving grace is that Trump is a halfwit, and he may end up getting things wrong. Such as his tariffs scheme.

Wyllow3 Thu 28-Nov-24 12:41:54

I think his policy on I think he said 1 million - what is broadly "undocumented" (but different categories) is going to both cause a lot of fear and tearing families apart, will meet serious legal challenges,

and perhaps even more significant, so many businesses rely on cheap "undocumented" labour.

He's said he's "use the army". How? How will the military view this? Where is he going to take people?

Blinko Thu 28-Nov-24 12:42:26

Reminiscent of the power of medieval monarchs.

Wyllow3 Thu 28-Nov-24 12:47:56

This is what is claiming are on "mass deportation beginning on day 1"
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/18/trump-military-mass-deportation

"Experts and advocates say a deportation campaign on the scale Trump has outlined would raise legal and logistical challenges, not to mention the soaring costs and infrastructure needed to detail and deport millions of people, many of whom have lived in the country for at least a decade, contribute to the workforce and share a household with US citizen family members.

Trump and Miller have described plans to federalize state national guard personnel and deploy them for immigration enforcement, including sending troops from friendly Republican-governed states into neighboring states with governors who decline to participate. Miller has also advocated for building large-scale detention “camps” and tents"

MaizieD Thu 28-Nov-24 13:46:27

He's said he's "use the army". How? How will the military view this? Where is he going to take people?

The control of the instrument of force, i.e the armed forces, has always been the very foundation of power. Once a government loses control of the army their power is lost. (The army frequently takes over and can be ten times worse...)

It will be interesting to see how the US army reacts to being told to enforce policies requiring extreme force..

mabon1 Thu 28-Nov-24 16:05:15

It's been all over the media.

Wyllow3 Thu 28-Nov-24 16:07:51

What have the media said on this?

Macadia Thu 28-Nov-24 16:16:49

They say he will be targeting criminals who do not have permission to live in the country. Why shouldn't they be deported if they are continuing to commit crimes, ignore laws and put citizens in danger?

MaizieD Thu 28-Nov-24 16:43:57

Macadia

They say he will be targeting criminals who do not have permission to live in the country. Why shouldn't they be deported if they are continuing to commit crimes, ignore laws and put citizens in danger?

He's after more than criminals. He's after all undocumented immigrants. Several million of them, I understand. Many of whom are actually employed and whose eviction would cause a lot of difficulty for their employers...

ileea Thu 28-Nov-24 16:56:58

Getting rid of the illegal immigrants will cause a lot of problems for the employers as a lot pay below minimum or they are jobs that are hard to fill due to the type of work.
(I'm Canadian so I get to hear way too much about it)

Arto1s Thu 28-Nov-24 17:27:41

Delighted to hear this. Now he can get on with the job in hand.

pascal30 Thu 28-Nov-24 18:15:30

power and corruption reign yet again

Wyllow3 Thu 28-Nov-24 18:29:57

Macadia

They say he will be targeting criminals who do not have permission to live in the country. Why shouldn't they be deported if they are continuing to commit crimes, ignore laws and put citizens in danger?

That is only the first named priority, and possible if the criminals are actually prison (although supposing the country of origin refuse?)

But If posters read my quote above about who is to be targeted and the issues surrounding it, (ie the "how") you'll see why I asked how the army would be involved,

ie actually what be they be asked to do

when some states may resist, not to mention identifying accurately who is and who isnt undocumented, the problems in families when say the children are US citizens but mum and dad or grandma are undocumented , and there is mention of huge tent camps, and where to be "sent" anyway, and the whole thing will cost billions....

David49 Thu 28-Nov-24 20:23:05

ileea

Getting rid of the illegal immigrants will cause a lot of problems for the employers as a lot pay below minimum or they are jobs that are hard to fill due to the type of work.
(I'm Canadian so I get to hear way too much about it)

Don’t worry about that, mostly controlled immigration will still happen, it all about control not a free for all. Trumps bark is far worse than his bite.
There are a great many new Latinos in the US, we visited Miami last year, we knew Spanish was spoken often, we did not realize many had no English at all in shops and hotels.